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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;illini420, post: 754369, member: 19423&quot;]I understand the need to limit the guarantee on the color of copper since most RD copper will tone/darken over time, whether it takes 10 years, 25 years or 250 years.&nbsp; However, I am still in shock that PCGS will now have 0 guarantee on the color of copper and will not even guarantee for a minimal period, whether it be a year or two or even 10 like NGC.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Enough folks mess with copper before submitting and the problems from such doctoring don&#039;t always show up until a few months or even years pass.&nbsp; That&#039;s why I&#039;ve bought PCGS coins when buying a piece of RD copper in the past.&nbsp; Since I&quot;m not an expert enough to be able to identify such doctoring in all cases, I trust PCGS in their opinion and was further reassured that even if something slipped by them I&#039;m still covered by their guarantee.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Now, if I&#039;m going to buy RD copper, I&#039;m either going to buy an NGC piece that has some guarantee against the coin growing spots or toning oddly in the near future, or I&#039;m going to buy PCGS coins in the older style holders so that I know they haven&#039;t been touched for 10-15 years or more and are likely stable in their appearance.&nbsp; I will not be buying any RD copper in the recent style of PCGS holders as I have no reassurance that the coin will not grow ugly because of doctoring (perhaps unless the dealer selling it to me gives me a guarantee against such an issue).</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I am somewhat relieved that my current RD coins in PCGS holders will still be covered, though I&#039;m not sure what proof of ownership/purchase date information will need to be produced in order to make a claim on the guarantee if my copper colors change.&nbsp; I also hope that the non-transferability of the guarantee doesn&#039;t significantly affect the values of my coins.&nbsp; I think that potential problem would be resolved if PCGS changed their insert labels starting 1/1/10 (and/or put the year graded on the slab) so that copper buyers know how long a coin has been slabbed and thus how long it&#039;s been since it potentially was messed with.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Moreover, I think the current state of the PCGS copper guarantee is unclear.&nbsp; For example, one of the coins PCGS had to pay out on the guarantee on was a MS65RD 1969-S DDO that was apparently messed with.&nbsp; The coin was later regraded as MS64RB after PCGS had to write a check.&nbsp; Now under the current &quot;guarantee&quot; the downward color change presumably wouldn&#039;t be covered, but I think the downgrade from 65 to 64 should be.&nbsp; As many of you know, spotting/toning that occurs on copper not only affects the color designation, but can also affect the actual grade (which PCGS will still cover under my interpretation of their new policy).&nbsp; That said, I hope it&#039;s not me or any of you who are the guinea pigs who test how PCGS will handle such a future claim on their &quot;guarantee.&quot;[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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