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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3224838, member: 24314"]heavycam.monstervam, posted: "Here we go again <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie20" alt=":banghead:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Another one of these <b>so called mechanical errors</b>?? Is that really what we have here, or is it that PCGS does not like to own up to their <b>mistakes</b>?? I could easily see where someone could mistake this for the actual variety. Whether that be a dealer, a collector, or a "so-called" expert at PCGS. Ive looked at tons of A&Ms on the 1992 Lincolns in my pocket change. Ive got 20-20 perfect vision and its very hard to tell with naked eye which one it is. Ive had some that were strike doubled and i thought i even scored the big one. I could very easily see PCGS screwing the pooch here, since were talking a difference of a nanometer in placement between the letters.</p><p>I would still make a phone call to the -</p><p>Phony Cert Grading Service.</p><p>Ofcourse they wont own up to a mistake, but it would atleast give me some satisfaction to debate it over the telephone with them."</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Yes, here we go again. Another nonsense discussion. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie96" alt=":vomit:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>OBVIOUSLY, <b><i><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">PCGS MADE A MISTAKE</span></i></b>! News, flash...it happens all the time. Most of ours are caught before they leave the building. Whomever designed our system screwed up big time for many date by putting the rare and valuable version as the first choice by the person entering the coin. Example: 1842-O 25c, most of the time when these coins get to the grading room they were entered as the Sm. "O" variety! That's a thousand dollar + difference for most grades. <span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 179)"><i>That's covered by a mechanical error</i>.</span> Calling a coin a MS when it is a more common and less expensive Proof is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT! We had to make good on that one.</p><p><br /></p><p>A numismatist (including me) should catch this. Just as a blind beggar should know the difference between a Close "AM" or Wide "AM!" TPGS's are your friend but they cannot protect anyone from IGNORANCE or a mistake made by a professional!</p><p><br /></p><p>ddddd, posted: <b>"I <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">believe </span>CAM is also a common way to refer to the Close AM and WAM for Wide AM.</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p>Please let us know who the <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> "genius" is that took a decades old abbreviation "CAM" and applied it to something totally unrelated? This kind of uninformed foolishness causes nothing but problems. It is not in Cherrypicker's section on the "AMs." </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>NPCoin, posted: "Don't worry...it <u><i><b>still</b></i></u> means cameo! That's why I said I prefer the moniker <u><i><b>ClAM</b></i></u> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> so that there is no mistaking it. With so many DCAM modern coins, I'm not even sure many of these younger ones here have even heard of a "Cameo" coin before. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> And I'll guarantee that 99.9% of the young and old have never heard of "CIAM" either.</p><p><br /></p><p>ddddd, posted: "It seemed like most saw what the mistake was and it was pointed out by others too. Anyways <i><b>I’m not sure why “the crowd” mattered much to you.</b></i> Or at the very least why you felt it was more important than commenting on the coin (or adding something about the coin along with your comment...there wasn’t anything wrong with it, but by itself it didn’t come off looking too good on your part.</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with Fred and his obviously <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> comment. Yes, all of you can tell the coin is mislabeled. Now can we move on from four pages of "expert" opinion. All that remains is to see how PCGS handles this. If it were me, I'd RETURN THE COIN to the seller for a refund and let them take care of the situation. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Then, I'd go on the Internet an learn the difference between the two varieties so <b><i><span style="color: rgb(179, 0, 0)">I</span></i></b> <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">WOULD NOT</span> make the same mistake again. Buy the coin and not the label. That way only you are responsible for any mistakes. ask for the coin back to correct the label</p><p><br /></p><p>Conder101, posted: "You were correct DCAM does stand for Deep Cameo. On the other hand <b>CAM can stand for either Cameo, <span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">or Close AM.</span></b> Contest of usage tell you which one it means."</p><p><br /></p><p>Please tell me what "<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Johnny-come-lately PENNY collector," where, and when "<b><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0)">this</span></b>" entered the numismatic lexicon. What nonsense! PCGS better make some changes to their definition of CAM to suit the <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie30" alt=":bucktooth:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />. I suspect some fool on a coin board such as Coin Community came up with this idiotic usage.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 3224838, member: 24314"]heavycam.monstervam, posted: "Here we go again :banghead::banghead::banghead: Another one of these [B]so called mechanical errors[/B]?? Is that really what we have here, or is it that PCGS does not like to own up to their [B]mistakes[/B]?? I could easily see where someone could mistake this for the actual variety. Whether that be a dealer, a collector, or a "so-called" expert at PCGS. Ive looked at tons of A&Ms on the 1992 Lincolns in my pocket change. Ive got 20-20 perfect vision and its very hard to tell with naked eye which one it is. Ive had some that were strike doubled and i thought i even scored the big one. I could very easily see PCGS screwing the pooch here, since were talking a difference of a nanometer in placement between the letters. I would still make a phone call to the - Phony Cert Grading Service. Ofcourse they wont own up to a mistake, but it would atleast give me some satisfaction to debate it over the telephone with them." :rolleyes: Yes, here we go again. Another nonsense discussion. :vomit: OBVIOUSLY, [B][I][COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]PCGS MADE A MISTAKE[/COLOR][/I][/B]! News, flash...it happens all the time. Most of ours are caught before they leave the building. Whomever designed our system screwed up big time for many date by putting the rare and valuable version as the first choice by the person entering the coin. Example: 1842-O 25c, most of the time when these coins get to the grading room they were entered as the Sm. "O" variety! That's a thousand dollar + difference for most grades. [COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 179)][I]That's covered by a mechanical error[/I].[/COLOR] Calling a coin a MS when it is a more common and less expensive Proof is COMPLETLY DIFFERENT! We had to make good on that one. A numismatist (including me) should catch this. Just as a blind beggar should know the difference between a Close "AM" or Wide "AM!" TPGS's are your friend but they cannot protect anyone from IGNORANCE or a mistake made by a professional! ddddd, posted: [B]"I [COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]believe [/COLOR]CAM is also a common way to refer to the Close AM and WAM for Wide AM. [/B] Please let us know who the :bucktooth: "genius" is that took a decades old abbreviation "CAM" and applied it to something totally unrelated? This kind of uninformed foolishness causes nothing but problems. It is not in Cherrypicker's section on the "AMs." NPCoin, posted: "Don't worry...it [U][I][B]still[/B][/I][/U] means cameo! That's why I said I prefer the moniker [U][I][B]ClAM[/B][/I][/U] :hilarious::hilarious: :facepalm: so that there is no mistaking it. With so many DCAM modern coins, I'm not even sure many of these younger ones here have even heard of a "Cameo" coin before. :rolleyes: And I'll guarantee that 99.9% of the young and old have never heard of "CIAM" either. ddddd, posted: "It seemed like most saw what the mistake was and it was pointed out by others too. Anyways [I][B]I’m not sure why “the crowd” mattered much to you.[/B][/I] Or at the very least why you felt it was more important than commenting on the coin (or adding something about the coin along with your comment...there wasn’t anything wrong with it, but by itself it didn’t come off looking too good on your part. I agree with Fred and his obviously :hilarious: comment. Yes, all of you can tell the coin is mislabeled. Now can we move on from four pages of "expert" opinion. All that remains is to see how PCGS handles this. If it were me, I'd RETURN THE COIN to the seller for a refund and let them take care of the situation. :smuggrin: Then, I'd go on the Internet an learn the difference between the two varieties so [B][I][COLOR=rgb(179, 0, 0)]I[/COLOR][/I][/B] [COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]WOULD NOT[/COLOR] make the same mistake again. Buy the coin and not the label. That way only you are responsible for any mistakes. ask for the coin back to correct the label Conder101, posted: "You were correct DCAM does stand for Deep Cameo. On the other hand [B]CAM can stand for either Cameo, [COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]or Close AM.[/COLOR][/B] Contest of usage tell you which one it means." Please tell me what ":bucktooth: Johnny-come-lately PENNY collector," where, and when "[B][COLOR=rgb(255, 0, 0)]this[/COLOR][/B]" entered the numismatic lexicon. What nonsense! PCGS better make some changes to their definition of CAM to suit the :bucktooth:. I suspect some fool on a coin board such as Coin Community came up with this idiotic usage.[/QUOTE]
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