PCGS Stumbles Badly On CAM Attribution

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  1. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Yes. :D
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  3. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    I already did by quoting it.
  4. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Oops with all the long responses on page 1 I scrolled right past that my mistake
  5. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    OK, then I have to ask how or why
    my post saying 'tough crowd this morning'
    was snarky.
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  6. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I guess we have different interpretations of snark. I saw the OP’s post as being disappointed that some mock instead of admitting something is wrong.
  7. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I’m guessing the original poster wanted you-as one of the error experts-to comment on the issue rather than post something that doesn’t really move the issue forward.
  8. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Interesting - my post was only commenting
    on the posts of others who seemed to be a bit
    confused as to what the attribution mistake
    was, or what the OP was trying to say.

    It was not negative about the OP, or the
    coin, or the holder in any way.

    ....and by saying 'tough crowd', I obviously
    wasn't referring to the OP whatsoever. I was
    commenting on the 'crowd' who had already
    posted before me.

    If anyone - the OP, or anyone else who posted in this
    thread, considers the term 'tough crowd' to be snarky,
    then I don't really know what else to say about my
    so-called 'snarky-ness' --except for maybe 'Really??'
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  9. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    It seemed like most saw what the mistake was and it was pointed out by others too.

    Anyways I’m not sure why “the crowd” mattered much to you. Or at the very least why you felt it was more important than commenting on the coin (or adding something about the coin along with your comment...there wasn’t anything wrong with it, but by itself it didn’t come off looking too good on your part).
  10. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    Agreed and I'm sure that's how he intended it, but if we wish to be technical, his quoted response also fits the definition of snark, which in this context is a snide and critical comment. I guess the greater point I had slyly hoped to make was that if I could intentionally misinterpret his post, perhaps he has misinterpreted others. Unfortunately, most seem to refuse to even consider the possibility.

    That said, who thought Fred's post was snarky?
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  11. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    I can see it from your angle and it’s a fair point to make.
  12. Old Error Guy

    Old Error Guy Well-Known Member

    It's always possible, but I have examined it very closely under a glass and I see no sign. I would "think" that a person skilled enough to do this would spend their time on something worth more than $200, but who knows?
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  13. Old Error Guy

    Old Error Guy Well-Known Member

    Just a cool Civil War Token with a repunched 3. Always liked that coin.
  14. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Wow this is a tuff crowd
  15. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Whats the big deal. Human error. Maybe TPGer was hoping. Unload the guns guys and just send it back to get corrected
  16. GriffonK

    GriffonK Member

    If you indeed get the coin back..

    I submitted one cupro nickel coin in person to PCGS.

    To my surprise when the packaged arrived at my address i had a box of slabs with many hammered gold coins..

    They mixed up the address!!!!!!
  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The big deal is he said he paid hundreds of dollars for it. If he just sends it to PCGS and they correct it there is a chance, according to their definition of what constitutes a Mechanical Error, that he will get it back corrected with no compensation and be out those hundreds of dollars because he bought it based on what they said it was on the label.
  18. Sealgair

    Sealgair Member

    I tried to ask this earlier but apparently it never “took”. Pls pardon my ignorance but I have not found an answer in any lexicon (including PCGS’s own) or in the other usual resources. I have assumed, from context, that DCAM stood for Deep CAMeo. But the usage on the slab and in dddd’s post clearly proves my assumption incorrect. As a Ph.D. In English historical linguistics and a specialist in lexicography with nearly 60 years experience, I’m usually pretty good at sussing such things out, but I’m stumped here. If this is somehow inappropriate for the panel, my direct email is huntsman at indiana dot edu. Many thanks!
  19. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You were correct DCAM does stand for Deep Cameo. On the other hand CAM can stand for either Cameo, or Close AM. Contest of usage tell you which one it means. The slab label in the OP says it is a 1999 S Proof 69 Red Deep Cameo with a Close AM and the catalog number (from the Cherry Pickers guide) for the variety is FS-901. The problem is that it is NOT a Close AM so the label is wrong.
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  20. wxcoin

    wxcoin Getting no respect for 65 years

    That should be my line!
  21. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    That was actually my thought at the time I posted
    it....Rodney would say, on Carson, in Vegas, etc.

    "Tough Crowd here, Tough Crowd here tonight "

    ...that was all I was referencing . It's the most I've
    been mis-understood since the 2nd wife.
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