PCGS Sample Slab Label Error... slab-ologists, rare early and/or sample slab aficionados, questions.

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  1. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    I guess Ebay then is actually good for something (getting harder and harder to say these days).
     
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  3. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    I still use ebay - very little any more. I still think in some cases it is your best avenue to re-coup cost of coins or make a profit. The reason why I use it so little is what I am looking for just does not seem to be there - or if it is it is priced to high. Recently I am finding some better prices with on line dealers for my albums. I did just buy a NGC large cent off ebay - to crack and add to my album. Price was a little high, but like the looks of the coin.
     
  4. 40_mila_kokkina

    40_mila_kokkina Active Member

    To crack meaning it was in a slab?
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Yeah I'd agree Mark, that happens. But with a coin like that, it sure doesn't happen often.

    And no dealer even close to worth his salt would pay more than a few bucks, just under melt at the most, (whatever it was at the time he bought it), for a generic '64 Kennedy.

    The only way the dealer could not be making money by selling that coin for $10 is if he had bought it for melt when silver was at its peak. So while what you are saying is possible, it is highly improbable.

    As for the possible value of the sample slab itself - virtually nil. Yeah there are small number of people who collect them, but 99.99% of the dealers out there won't buy them for that reason. To them the sample slab is meaningless, worthless.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    As the universe of collectors shrink (demand), so does the supply required to meet that demand and thus keep the price down, even on relatively rare items. This is what slab collectors face and to a lesser extent, variety collectors. While collecting rarer items, the price reflects the lesser demand while far more common items sell at a premium where there is a greater collector base.

    For example. Most varieties of the 1799 and 1804 Large Cents are relatively common. But any coin from those years has a huge premium because of the demand by date collectors. This is while far rarer varieties of a more common date sell for far less.

    This is basic economics applied to collectables.
     
  7. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    So what is this sample thing? They grade a coin as an example of their service that wasn't actually submitted to them? er what?
     
  8. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    Sample slabs were just to do a promotion for the slab, just about all grading companies did it and there is a large market of collectors for them. I have been collecting them for about 8 years now and the prices for some are really high.
    PCGS also has put the wrong coin number on them and there is little extra preium for them. The Kennedy have can be found with a coin number on it for a 1963 Franklin (6704) and it is still the same price.
    1921 Morgans have the coin number for the P but can be found with a D or S.
    I have a set of rattlers for the Roosevelt dime all with 5120 coin numbers and they cover 1960 thru 1964 so I guess they are all in a sense errors but not any extra paid for them.
     
  9. Rassi

    Rassi #GoCubs #FlyTheW #WeAreGood

    Isn't it true these *generally* were as samples of new slab formats when a TPG was changing their slab?
     
  10. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    As said already, sample slabs were and are, (they still give them out), nothing but advertising gimmicks by the TPG's. The TPG would pick some generic coin, put them in slabs and then give them away for free to collectors at coin shows. The free bit should tell you something.

    As for there being a large market for them, I certainly wouldn't say that. I would say there is a very, very, small market for them. Only a fraction of 1% of collectors collect them.

    To put that into perspective, of all the Silver Eagles and Gold Eagles sold, and most folks think those are immensely popular among collectors, only maybe, stress maybe, 10% of collectors collect those coins.

    There are many, many, multiples more collectors who collect the bullion coins than there are those who collect sample slabs.
     
  11. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    No, every coin show or function there is that the TPGs attend they give them away as advertising.
     
  12. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    Your right, there is not a large market for samples but there is a market for them and they do sell. Some of them are expensive but many more are low priced as bullion coins.
     
  13. 19Lyds

    19Lyds Member of the United States of Confusion

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  16. Robert Paul

    Robert Paul Active Member

    Both of these Kennedy's have the label wrong.
    1964 is a coin number 6706
    1964-D is 6707
    1963 proof Franklin is 6704

    To bad PCGS did not pat attention to the details when they were passing these out for free, to show off thier workmanship!
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    That's nothing -

    PCGS 21 peace-morgan.jpg
     
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  18. Rassi

    Rassi #GoCubs #FlyTheW #WeAreGood

    You misunderstood...that was their Christmas slab wishing Peace on Earth.... LOL!
     
  19. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The slab collector is the exception to the rule. Normally, you buy the coin, not the slab if you collect coins. But if you collect slabs, the opposite holds true. Buy the slab, not the coin if you collect slabs.

    Slab errors are like coin errors. Some carry a premium like doubled dies and some don't like strike doubling. Sample slabs are like patterns, but far more common and with significantly less interest. But economically, the product doesn't move so the buy sell spread goes up if you can even find a buyer.
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2013
  20. AWORDCREATED

    AWORDCREATED Hardly Noticeable

    Are the grades supposed to be realistic?
     
  21. PennyGuy

    PennyGuy US and CDN Copper

    If anyone here picked up the free sample cent slab at the PCGS table during the 2013 ANA conference in Rosemont, IL they should take a close look. The one I received, and the other two friends with me, is labeled as a 2012-D but contained a 2011-D Lincoln cent.
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    There is also a PCGS slab produced for the Diablo Numismatic society in April of 2013 that is labeled as a 2009-D, but the coin is a Philadelphia mint cent.
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    Such errors are not rare by any means, and even with the limited number of collectors the trading values are not usually significant. That said I have seen spirited bidding for some of the more unusual sample slabs, error or not.
     
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