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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Harpagon coins, post: 2010014, member: 71578&quot;]Hi there,</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for your time GD.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, the original question, from which grew several ramifications have, was whether using the reconsideration service, there is a chance that they have, or would grade-up several points, not just the one if they saw there was a serious under-grading? Has it ever happened… or likely too?</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the proof question, I’ve have several concerns. A proof is a proof or it is not. I’ve always thought it to be such, except within the German grading system where it is attributed to higher grade uncirculated coins to indicate that it is a superlative example. It also is attributed justly so to Proofs that are manufactured as proofs.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now suffice to say, I’ve bought German Proofs that never graded as proofs, just high grade MS by the TPGs. This seems completely normal considering the Germans’ use the word proof rather freely.</p><p><br /></p><p>But, I’ve also had the opposite happen, a little too often I’ll add, that is, I’ve sent in mid/high grade uncirculated coins and they’ve come back to me as PR where there are no known examples of proofs actually existing for that type, at least according to German reference books and several people I know who are more in-the-know than myself.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do honestly believe that the grading applied to US coins is significantly more consistent and solid than with world coins. World covers too much material.</p><p><br /></p><p>I’ve collected for 20+ years and tend to be as objective as the next guy, albeit my work entails me to hone that quality every day. I started only six years ago going down the track of encapsulated coins, because I felt that for my personal collection it would be a godsend for my kids one day, should they not learn or be interested in this hobby, that when the time comes to sell dad’s collection they won’t simply have a bunch of raw coins that must be valued, sold etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>I tried to develop an idea of grading using the Sheldon scale, but when it is applied with some laxness at time, perhaps in relation to particular coins of a period, since Weimar coinage I’ve found consistently well graded, it’s left me disappointed to see, say a German Proof coin sold at a floor auction for XXXX dollars with fierce bidding, possibly one of the best grade examples if not best example of that coin, being encapsulated as a MS62, when the other MS62 that exists of the same coin in the “registries” is significantly and visibly worse for wear.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sometimes I feel, this might be a European thing, that to be a little more vague, as the old system allowed, actually suited the nature of grading better than a system that numerically ties you to a number.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the toning issue, I’m again, perhaps a little European on this. I’m a strong believer that coins that date back to the 19th century almost always have been tampered with – it just comes down to whether someone catches it, accepts it, thinks it to be a pleasing patina or not, is willing to turn a blind eye etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, thanks a lot for your input.</p><p><br /></p><p>Cheers!</p><p><br /></p><p>Roman[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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