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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2546969, member: 24314"][USER=24314]@Insider[/USER], there's only one truth that tells me this might be over the edge on snark. Remember the mini-scandal about Chicago show 1964-2014 gold Kennedy halves? PCGS and NGC slabbed more coins as "show coins" than were sold there. (The whole excess was due to PCGS standards sloppiness.) The research showed that VIRTUALLY NO ONE (less than 20 for sure) was getting them slabbed by ANACS at the show. There HAS TO BE a reason for this, doesn't there? As I recall, all services ran just under 50% PF70.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p><p>I value your opinion! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie80" alt=":shame:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>1. There is a 25% difference <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie57" alt=":jawdrop:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> from the quoted percent. Further, In my experience the first coins issued have a higher % of 70's <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> than the coins that have kicked around in original tubes or were sent out from the Mint months later. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>2. I'll bet we can count on our fingers and toes the number of MS/PR-70 ANACS and ICG coins that have been auctioned and imaged at Heritage. I'll even concede the fingers and toes of two people. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>3. We are discussing <span style="color: #ff0000">grades</span> of MS/PR-70 not labels. I know for a fact that "First Strike" and "Early Release" is a marketing scheme. For example, one unnamed service has allowed coins received thirty days after the issue date to be labeled "Early Release." <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie46" alt=":facepalm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>4. When any TPGS (including the XXX Fly-by-Nights) deserves a compliment I'll give it. When any TPGS is disparaged, I'll defend them. </p><p><br /></p><p>Using what I consider from experience to be fair and acceptable standards <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />: I've seen examples from each of the four major grading services of over graded, under graded, correctly graded, and "details" coins that are straight graded over the years. The only difference between the top four TPGS is the % of each of these judgements them have made. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>IMO, ICG and ANACS do as good a job as NGC and PCGS and I guarantee we can find many, many instances when they did better. From what I see at shows, collectors keep them busy accepting submissions. <span style="color: #b300b3">Nevertheless, for all the reasons posted OVER & OVER on CT, I personally recommend PCGS if you want to get the most money or action on your coin - and you'll pay for that.<img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </span></p><p><br /></p><p>So, I like to think there is a difference between any "close to <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie81" alt=":shifty:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> snark" comments about a misleading post and the actual, verifiable opinions I try to post. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 2546969, member: 24314"][USER=24314]@Insider[/USER], there's only one truth that tells me this might be over the edge on snark. Remember the mini-scandal about Chicago show 1964-2014 gold Kennedy halves? PCGS and NGC slabbed more coins as "show coins" than were sold there. (The whole excess was due to PCGS standards sloppiness.) The research showed that VIRTUALLY NO ONE (less than 20 for sure) was getting them slabbed by ANACS at the show. There HAS TO BE a reason for this, doesn't there? As I recall, all services ran just under 50% PF70.[/QUOTE] I value your opinion! :shame: 1. There is a 25% difference :jawdrop: from the quoted percent. Further, In my experience the first coins issued have a higher % of 70's :D than the coins that have kicked around in original tubes or were sent out from the Mint months later. :( 2. I'll bet we can count on our fingers and toes the number of MS/PR-70 ANACS and ICG coins that have been auctioned and imaged at Heritage. I'll even concede the fingers and toes of two people. :happy: 3. We are discussing [COLOR=#ff0000]grades[/COLOR] of MS/PR-70 not labels. I know for a fact that "First Strike" and "Early Release" is a marketing scheme. For example, one unnamed service has allowed coins received thirty days after the issue date to be labeled "Early Release." :facepalm::greedy: 4. When any TPGS (including the XXX Fly-by-Nights) deserves a compliment I'll give it. When any TPGS is disparaged, I'll defend them. Using what I consider from experience to be fair and acceptable standards :bookworm:: I've seen examples from each of the four major grading services of over graded, under graded, correctly graded, and "details" coins that are straight graded over the years. The only difference between the top four TPGS is the % of each of these judgements them have made. ;) IMO, ICG and ANACS do as good a job as NGC and PCGS and I guarantee we can find many, many instances when they did better. From what I see at shows, collectors keep them busy accepting submissions. [COLOR=#b300b3]Nevertheless, for all the reasons posted OVER & OVER on CT, I personally recommend PCGS if you want to get the most money or action on your coin - and you'll pay for that.:greedy: [/COLOR] So, I like to think there is a difference between any "close to :shifty: snark" comments about a misleading post and the actual, verifiable opinions I try to post. ;)[/QUOTE]
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