PCGS Knows All.... Apparently

Certainly not Fred (I've met him), just the grading company. The same grading company that wouldn't legitimize an old green holder "Texas" commem that the serial # doesn't come up in their data base. They wanted me to send it in for re-holdering. I've had friends who didn't have to do that........they just acknowledged it for those fellows. Guess the unknown fellow don't count. Axe to grind with these people on somethings, but in the end, they are my 'fav' TPGer.

 

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There is no way PCGS is going to try to match the OP coin to a die pair unless they saw something to narrow it down to 1916. Folks should listen to Conder101.
PCGS just messed up on this one.

 

I'm pretty sure he's one of their error guys

 

Really? Did he pull that one out of his foot?

 

I believe he is THE error guy for them.

 

Yes.

 

Dave Waterstraat, posted: "You left out paying taxes. It's a 100% sure thing..."

Yes, you are correct. I didn't include taxes because that is not a 100% sure thing.

JayF, posted: "So do you agree with PCGS that this is a true 1916 ? I'm just curious how they authenticated this one."

Please read the thread again or you can look up "mistake" in the dictionary. This thread has NOTHING to do with a 1916 dime except that description of this piece is what popped out of the label printer!

JayF, posted: "How can anyone who doesn't have anything to do with PCGS say definitively about what they do as far as procedures? Do you know someone from PCGS that tells you these things?"

No one needs to work for a TPGS to know how coins are authenticated. The procedures are taught in classes and can be found in books. It has been done the same way since the early 1970's when some new folks came on the scene and overturned all the archaic methods used up until then. We even gave it a name.

 

Care to enlighten us what the die markers for a 1916 P dime are?

 

I already stated I was speaking in general terms at that point to correct the misinformation

 

I immediately thought of the dime struck on a nail. I recall reading that this was not an "error" in the traditional sense of the word since it was done on purpose. Nevertheless, it sold for $42,300 at auction.

https://www.coinnews.net/2016/01/08/us-dime-struck-on-nail-realizes-42300/

 

Companies have different procedures, how to authenticate a coin probably has the same steps with all TPGs but how a company applies it is a totally different process. Like did PCGS checked for die markers for this particular coin? I read there is possibly a die marker for the 1916 dime so I was curious if PCGS used it to identify the coin. Also, he said "may or may not be" so there's still a question of whether it's a mistake or not, based on his response.

BTW, did you report this to PCGS already? Since you stated it's OUR job to police these types of "mistakes"

 

But at the same time, you can't definitively say it's NOT full bands. Just like you can't say it's not a 1916D. The inherrent nature of offset coins is that they come from a die which may have only left partial indication of what the coin actually is. You can question the grader's grounds for his designation of that coin, but you can't prove he's absolutely wrong either.

 

But you also can’t say there are distinct markers for a 1916 Dime if there aren’t any.

 

Well, of course there are markers (though maybe not distinct ones) that can be used to identify the coin. Every coin die is unique, though it might take some time looking at a bunch of normal 1916 dimes to find the die used at the correct die state. Remember, this is an uncirculated coin, so there should be minimal damage that would obscure the die condition.

 

The only way to avoid paying taxes is to not purchase anything...True there are ways to avoid paying some types of taxes directly but sales tax will get you...

 

At least in the US. Sales tax was not a thing while I was in Europe

 

That still does not answer my question. What are the distinct die markers for 1916 dimes?

 

Someone else will need to answer this since I don't own an uncirculated 1916 Dime.

 

Yeah, but death doesn't change every time Congress meets!

 

I get it! It's like Schroedinger's cat, right?