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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Leadfoot, post: 280771, member: 2972&quot;]The only advantage with a green holder, at least to me, is that you can be fairly certain they have not been dipped or otherwise messed with in quite a long time (1986-98, depending on the type, IIRC).&nbsp; You can also be more confident the surfaces are stable....</p><p><br /></p><p>That said, there is always the possibility that the coins have turned in the holders.&nbsp; To wit, please consider the following coin:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=446&amp;Lot_No=101" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=446&amp;Lot_No=101" rel="nofollow">http://coins.ha.com/common/view_item.php?Sale_No=446&amp;Lot_No=101</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://images.heritagecoin.com/images/NewNames/75/1/0/4/2/1042625.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><img src="http://images.heritagecoin.com/images/NewNames/75/1/0/4/2/1042672.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Do you agree or disagree with this OGH holder color designation (RB)?&nbsp; If you disagree do you think it is more likely this coin WAS RB and is now BN having toned in the holder or do you think PCGS cosiders this RB coin?&nbsp; The former sure seems much more likely to me...</p><p><br /></p><p>Again, relying on the OGH to signify that a coin is undergraded is a mistake made by those who don&#039;t really know how to grade, and sellers of OGHs are generally not ignorant of this fact and often take advantage of this -- ask yourself if the coin was such a candidate for upgrade, why didn&#039;t the seller do it themselves.&nbsp; The VAST majority of OGH holders I&#039;ve seen have either been overgraded or correctly graded (against TPG standards), and only &quot;fresh&quot; coins off the market for some time stand a good chance of being candidates of upgrades.</p><p><br /></p><p>The bottom line is that everyone needs to learn how to grade BEFORE buying coins -- to buy before being able to tell the difference between grades is a sure way to get stuck with overgraded or marginal coins...Mike[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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