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<p>[QUOTE="EyeAppealingCoins, post: 3237688, member: 96749"]1.) What do you think market grading is? It is an attempt to rank coins by relative value, which necessarily considers prevailing market preferences and considerations. Markets and market preferences change. Coins that were once market acceptable and net graded may no longer be market acceptable and vice versa. Standards also tend to tighten in weaker markets. CAC has had some effect.</p><p><br /></p><p>If there are no changes in standards, then how do you explain the following?:</p><p><br /></p><p>(i) blue and purple copper with the putative "MS70" look were once routinely straight graded but are not usually straight graded anymore and the coins will not sticker;</p><p>(ii) the standards for PL/DMPL/DPL Morgan Dollars have unquestionably changed (and become much stricter);</p><p>(iii) luster was not as significant of a factor for richly toned coins (particularly at NGC) and deeply toned coins with muted luster were accepted at higher grades in earlier years;</p><p>(iv) PCGS no longer encapsulates most of those horrible AT silver eagles;</p><p>(v) changes in preferences for toned coins and color bumpage; and</p><p>(vi) take a look at Saint Gaudens double eagles and MS66 Liberty Nickels. The populations of the latter are smaller and more feasible to see substantial percentages of extant populations. There is a palpable loosening in recent years.</p><p><br /></p><p>2.) PCGS's David Hall and NGC's Mark Salzberg have both admitted that their standards have changed at least once and that the services were still "learning" or were overly "conservative" in the early years. There is an interview with Salzberg on the NGC website somewhere and forum posts from Hall somewhere if anyone really cares enough to pull them up. I don't. Keep in mind, these comments were made well after the 1990 FTC suit against PCGS alleging a lack of objective and consistent grading and despite claims that PCGS standards represented "a permanent grading standard-a grading standard that will never change.''</p><p><br /></p><p>3.) When was the last time you submitted coins to PCGS? Yes, inconsistency is an issue and can explain much of it especially when dealing with small sample sizes. On the other hand, if the tighter grading is widespread then it really does reflect a change in prevailing standards and not outliers.</p><p><br /></p><p>4.) Gradual changes in standards can add up overtime. It isn't necessarily saying that the CEO/President of CU wakes up one morning and decides to change standards. There exists a limited number of graders. As they die and retire, they are replaced. With significant turn over, fresh blood creates plenty of opportunity for individual grader biases/preferences to take over and cause shifts in the application of standards. We can argue whether that it is a change in the standards themselves or change in the application of the standards, but the difference is really semantic. The net result is the same.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EyeAppealingCoins, post: 3237688, member: 96749"]1.) What do you think market grading is? It is an attempt to rank coins by relative value, which necessarily considers prevailing market preferences and considerations. Markets and market preferences change. Coins that were once market acceptable and net graded may no longer be market acceptable and vice versa. Standards also tend to tighten in weaker markets. CAC has had some effect. If there are no changes in standards, then how do you explain the following?: (i) blue and purple copper with the putative "MS70" look were once routinely straight graded but are not usually straight graded anymore and the coins will not sticker; (ii) the standards for PL/DMPL/DPL Morgan Dollars have unquestionably changed (and become much stricter); (iii) luster was not as significant of a factor for richly toned coins (particularly at NGC) and deeply toned coins with muted luster were accepted at higher grades in earlier years; (iv) PCGS no longer encapsulates most of those horrible AT silver eagles; (v) changes in preferences for toned coins and color bumpage; and (vi) take a look at Saint Gaudens double eagles and MS66 Liberty Nickels. The populations of the latter are smaller and more feasible to see substantial percentages of extant populations. There is a palpable loosening in recent years. 2.) PCGS's David Hall and NGC's Mark Salzberg have both admitted that their standards have changed at least once and that the services were still "learning" or were overly "conservative" in the early years. There is an interview with Salzberg on the NGC website somewhere and forum posts from Hall somewhere if anyone really cares enough to pull them up. I don't. Keep in mind, these comments were made well after the 1990 FTC suit against PCGS alleging a lack of objective and consistent grading and despite claims that PCGS standards represented "a permanent grading standard-a grading standard that will never change.'' 3.) When was the last time you submitted coins to PCGS? Yes, inconsistency is an issue and can explain much of it especially when dealing with small sample sizes. On the other hand, if the tighter grading is widespread then it really does reflect a change in prevailing standards and not outliers. 4.) Gradual changes in standards can add up overtime. It isn't necessarily saying that the CEO/President of CU wakes up one morning and decides to change standards. There exists a limited number of graders. As they die and retire, they are replaced. With significant turn over, fresh blood creates plenty of opportunity for individual grader biases/preferences to take over and cause shifts in the application of standards. We can argue whether that it is a change in the standards themselves or change in the application of the standards, but the difference is really semantic. The net result is the same.[/QUOTE]
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