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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 419893, member: 15309"]Gopher,</p><p><br /></p><p>I am going to try to ignore most of the responses to you OP since they don't really address the issue that you raised.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, you need to qualify what coins you are talking about when you make the statement about collectors overpaying for PCGS coins. If you look at common date Morgan Dollars in MS64 or MS65, you will find very little difference in price between PCGS and NGC graded coins. If you look at MS67 graded Jefferson Nickels, you will find a huge price difference. Before you criticize people for paying more for PCGS coins, you should examine why they do this. In the case of MS67 Jefferson Nickels for any date, the reason is obvious and the population reports don't lie.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you don't believe me, let us take a look. I have listed below the 1945 P-D-S Jefferson Nickel populations and Numismedia Wholesale and PCGS Price guides.</p><p><br /></p><p><b> 1945-P</b> NGC POP 322/2 ---------- PCGS POP 33/0 ----------- Numismedia Wholesale $160 -----------PCGS Price Guide $750</p><p><br /></p><p><b> 1945-D</b> NGC POP 2046/6 ----------PCGS POP 112/0---------- Numismedia Wholesale $47--------- PCGS Price Guide $110</p><p><br /></p><p><b> 1945-S</b> NGC POP 1512/2---------- PCGS POP 72/1 ----------Numismedia Wholesale $56---------- PCGS Price Guide $140</p><p><br /></p><p>You can't seriously look at the population reports and conclude that the both TPG's are using the same standard for MS67 for Jefferson Nickels. The fact is that an MS67 PCGS Jefferson Nickel is much more rare than an NGC MS67 Jefferson Nickel.</p><p><br /></p><p>The price guides and prices realized at auction support this fact. If you look at the last 4 NGC 1945-P Jeffs, the average price is $152 which is just below Numismedia Wholesale. The last two PCGS 1945-P MS67's (that were not monster toned) realized over $500 each. (The auction data referenced is from Heritage Auctions).</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not going to defend the PCGS price guides. I think they are ridiculous. However, it is a plain fact that PCGS grades certain coins more stringently than NGC and the PCGS coins deserve to drive a higher price in these cases.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now that I have concluded my diatribe, I will state that I have no idea why anyone would buy the coin referenced in your OP slabbed or not. I can't even tell what the heck it is.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 419893, member: 15309"]Gopher, I am going to try to ignore most of the responses to you OP since they don't really address the issue that you raised. However, you need to qualify what coins you are talking about when you make the statement about collectors overpaying for PCGS coins. If you look at common date Morgan Dollars in MS64 or MS65, you will find very little difference in price between PCGS and NGC graded coins. If you look at MS67 graded Jefferson Nickels, you will find a huge price difference. Before you criticize people for paying more for PCGS coins, you should examine why they do this. In the case of MS67 Jefferson Nickels for any date, the reason is obvious and the population reports don't lie. If you don't believe me, let us take a look. I have listed below the 1945 P-D-S Jefferson Nickel populations and Numismedia Wholesale and PCGS Price guides. [B] 1945-P[/B] NGC POP 322/2 ---------- PCGS POP 33/0 ----------- Numismedia Wholesale $160 -----------PCGS Price Guide $750 [B] 1945-D[/B] NGC POP 2046/6 ----------PCGS POP 112/0---------- Numismedia Wholesale $47--------- PCGS Price Guide $110 [B] 1945-S[/B] NGC POP 1512/2---------- PCGS POP 72/1 ----------Numismedia Wholesale $56---------- PCGS Price Guide $140 You can't seriously look at the population reports and conclude that the both TPG's are using the same standard for MS67 for Jefferson Nickels. The fact is that an MS67 PCGS Jefferson Nickel is much more rare than an NGC MS67 Jefferson Nickel. The price guides and prices realized at auction support this fact. If you look at the last 4 NGC 1945-P Jeffs, the average price is $152 which is just below Numismedia Wholesale. The last two PCGS 1945-P MS67's (that were not monster toned) realized over $500 each. (The auction data referenced is from Heritage Auctions). I am not going to defend the PCGS price guides. I think they are ridiculous. However, it is a plain fact that PCGS grades certain coins more stringently than NGC and the PCGS coins deserve to drive a higher price in these cases. Now that I have concluded my diatribe, I will state that I have no idea why anyone would buy the coin referenced in your OP slabbed or not. I can't even tell what the heck it is.[/QUOTE]
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