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Message:: [QUOTE="NathansCoin, post: 166342, member: 6761"]I don't know how they figure out a gold coin is cleaned that dosnt appear to have ever been cleaned. There are no scrubbing marks of any kind. No strange color no trace of anything strange at all. In anycase NGC thought nothing of it, they gave them MS 61 and 63 grades. Im sure those 2 where cleaned at some point in history. It used to be a common practice a long time ago, I find out. But the coin that didnt make any sense is the one that was bagged for damage or tooling. It was graded by NGC MS63. Im trying to find out why the 2 top grading companies would look at the same coins and get to very different judgments of grade? Also I want to restate that the ones that where stated cleaned by PCGS had no OBVIOUS trace's. Anyone know how to find out if a GOLD COIN has been cleaned other then the OBVIOUS  like whizzing marks or a polished shimmer? SO AYONE THINKING ABOUT SENDING THERE COINS TO A TPGC will know?Another fact, that these coins not only sat in my collection for about 10 years, they sat in the guy I got them from for about twice that and, He was the one that tought  me to NEVER clean a coin back when i was a youngster. lol He was a man I trusted very much. He is no longer alive ( RIP SAM ). Like i said this im trying to find out, how to know? Also to say that TPG services are all just opionion's. As well im really just lookig to hear about other peoples experances?[/QUOTE]