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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3175827, member: 112"]No that's not the problem at all. There are a great many words, when used in numismatics that have a definition entirely different than they do when used in ordinary conversation. Specimen is but one of them. And it's not just numismatics, this same concept applies to many different fields. Certain words, when used in a specific context, have entirely different meanings than they normally do. But I will grant you this much, apparently there are lot of people who don't know that. "To me" - that's the problem right there. People consciously choose to assign their own definitions to words because it suits their personal purposes to do so. They choose to interpret things to mean what they want them to mean. But we don't get to do that. Choosing your own definition is no different than calling a mule a horse just because you want to call it a horse. And yeah, that's an extreme example, but it's the same thing. As for the coins you asked about, I don't know what they should be called. And the definition for specimen that I've been quoting, I didn't make it up, it's not MY definition. It is a definition that was established, and accepted, by the entire numismatic community long before any of us were even alive. And throughout its history it has only been used to apply to those specific coins. Until the TPGs decided to do otherwise, simply because it suited their purposes to do so.[/QUOTE]