PCGS 1964 pf 69 quarter

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Daulton, Aug 20, 2022.

  1. Daulton

    Daulton Active Member

    image.jpg image.jpg The question I have is if this is coin 22 would it be consider a cameo and inaccurately graded? It’s my understanding only the first 30-50 coins are cameos! All scratches are on the capsule btw!
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  3. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    The first so many coins are not necessarily cameos.
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  4. Daulton

    Daulton Active Member

    Thank you, so you think this would should have received a cameo grade or no?
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    That is coin 22 out of a bulk grade of coins.
    Not the 22nd proof struck.
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  6. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Nice coin. I don't see any characteristics of a cameo finish.

    As @Pickin and Grinin said, 22 is nothing more than a counter for the number of coins in that particular submission.
  7. Atarian

    Atarian Well-Known Member

    Isn't the 22 in this case the numeric increment of coins in the series? I have a 32-D which is coin 2 and 32-S which is coin 3. I assume 1932 (P) is coin 1.
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  8. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    Sounds like you're referencing the Series:39PR with that thought process. The Coin:22 still refers to the number of that coin in that submitters submission.
  9. Atarian

    Atarian Well-Known Member

    Every series 39PR will be coin 22.

    From the horses mouth, as it were:


    What About Series and Coin Numbers?
    What about the “Series” and “Coin” number as displayed on many PCGS labels from the late 1990s through mid-2000s? A Series number was ascribed to each United States type, while the Coin number was sequentially awarded to each issue from first to last (or most current). For example, the Morgan Dollar is listed as Series 52, while the 1901-O business strike is Coin 82. Another example? The Two Cent is Series 15, and proof Two Cent pieces are denoted as 15PR. The 1870 Proof Two Cent is Coin 7.
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  10. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer A Caretaker, can't take it with me

    I sit corrected ;)

    Thanx for the 411
  11. Atarian

    Atarian Well-Known Member

    No worries. That whole series/coin thing looked like it could be a logistical nightmare, which may be why it was dropped.

    BTW OP nice coin.
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    The theory you're talking about is correct, but definitely not those numbers, it's a good many more than that. Some estimates have been 500-600 before the frost wears off the dies. And it could be higher.

    No, it's not 100% they will be by TPG standards, but it's about 99% they will be.
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Goodmorning Doug. I suspect you are a morning person. You know who (still asleep) had me sleep on the couch last night. :D
  14. johnmilton

    johnmilton Well-Known Member

    Cameo Proofs were unusual during this period. Therefore, just because a piece is a well preserved Proof, it does not mean that it is a Cameo. Most of the time, it won't be one.

    As for the number of Cameo Proofs that come from a die pair in the 1950s and '60s, I think that the 500 to 600 is way too high. If it were that high, there would be a lot more of them around. The 30 to 50 number is more in the ballpark, and I think that it's lower, especially if you are talking about double sided cameos which are the only pieces that are worth the premium.
  15. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    No cameo
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