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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lehigh96, post: 1377381, member: 15309&quot;]Do you really consider a sarcastic quip with the intent to bait me letting it die?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It is not my fault that you never put the effort forth to actually prove me wrong.&nbsp; Typically, you resort to one of two responses.&nbsp; First, you use your age and experience to get others with less experience to defer to you.&nbsp; Second, you always claim that there is no reason to try and change someone&#039;s mind since you believe they will never change their mind.&nbsp; You have already used both of these defenses in this thread.&nbsp; Care to deny that?</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is what you don&#039;t get Doug.&nbsp; I have no intention of trying to change your mind.&nbsp; With the exception of TomCorona and his delusional 9/11 fantasies, you are the most rigid unrelenting person I have ever engaged on any forum ever.&nbsp; I could very easily just follow your example and refuse to engage you with the reason being that I have no chance at changing your mind.&nbsp; But my debates with you are not about changing your mind.&nbsp; They are intended to provide a dissenting opinion to yours so that the other members of this forum can decide for themselves which point of view they would like to adopt.&nbsp; The simple fact is that while you grip your numismatic ideals with an iron fist, most of what you believe is not accepted in the current market place.&nbsp; This current topic of discussion is a perfect example.&nbsp; The entire numismatic community accepts that Walking Liberty Half Dollars are plagued by roll friction and that high point wear does not automatically relegate a coin to AU status.&nbsp; That is not an opinion, it is a fact!</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>NO, NO, NO, NO, NO!&nbsp; That is an entirely different debate.&nbsp; In this case, I have shown that the TPG&#039;s have followed their standards to the letter with respect to &quot;roll friction&quot;.&nbsp; Furthermore, you have never come close to proving your contention that the TPG&#039;s have gotten worse at following their own standards in any thread on Cointalk.</p><p><br /></p><p>&nbsp;</p><p><br /></p><p>That is exactly what I mean to say.&nbsp; If I saw these coins raw, I would not grade them the same.&nbsp; You see Doug, you are so predictable.&nbsp; I knew you would resort to this little tactic.&nbsp; But I have to come clean.&nbsp; These two Walkers do have something in common and it is not their grade.&nbsp; What they have in common is that I used to own both coins.&nbsp; I have seen both in hand and I can state without a doubt, they don&#039;t deserve the same grade.&nbsp; Explaining the difference between &quot;roll friction&quot; wear and circulation wear is extremely difficult to do in words.&nbsp; PCGS tried to claim that circulation appears &quot;grey&quot; as opposed to roll friction wear which still appears &quot;silvery&quot;.&nbsp; This is true to a certain extent and what I noticed was that circulation wear appears flat whereas roll friction wear still appears glossy, almost lustrous.&nbsp; I guess it is easy to claim that these coins should be graded the same from a photo, but when you have seen them in hand it becomes impossible.&nbsp; The difference in luster and eye appeal between the two coins is dramatic.&nbsp; The AU coin has friction in the fields and the mint state coin does not.&nbsp; This is the real standard that the TPG&#039;s use to grade these coins.&nbsp; Now, are there coins with very light wear from circulation and no friction in the fields that reside in mint state holders?&nbsp; Certainly there are, that is the price we pay for ensuring that premium gems exhibiting roll friction still end up in the appropriate mint state holders.</p><p><br /></p><p>As far as disagreeing with the TPG&#039;s, I do it in my own coin descriptions in my registry set (click link below).&nbsp; If I will proclaim that one of my registry coins is over graded what would stop me from disagreeing with a TPG on a coin forum?</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinView.aspx?PeopleSetCoinID=1297355" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.www.collectors-society.com/WCM/CoinView.aspx?PeopleSetCoinID=1297355" rel="nofollow">Atlantic City Set of Jefferson Nickel Varieties 1948</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The TPG&#039;s collect the fee whether the coin resides in an AU holder or MS holder.&nbsp; The fact is that the collecting community wants to see Walkers with roll friction in mint state holders.&nbsp; You can&#039;t accept that because you can&#039;t see outside of your own opinion.&nbsp; To you, wear is wear and roll friction is a circulated coin.&nbsp; So we are all suckers, and kool-aid drinkers who despite our knowledge &amp; experience blindly follow the TPG&#039;s every word huh?&nbsp; We see the wear Doug, but when we think the cause is roll friction, we want to see the coin graded as a mint state coin.&nbsp; To most collectors, the &quot;wear is wear&quot; philosophy is simply not good enough.&nbsp; You see, we have the confidence to see beyond black and white and comprehend advanced numismatic principles which it is apparent, you can not do!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That is an outright lie!&nbsp; You have not seen either coin with your own two eyes.&nbsp; However, the multiple TPG graders have seen the coins with their own eyes and graded the coins correctly.&nbsp; What I would like to know is why you feel that it is appropriate to ignore your numismatic caveats when it serves you?&nbsp; You preach to everyone incessantly that it is impossible to grade a coin from a photo and that purchasing a coin based on a photo is the same as buying sight unseen.&nbsp; Yet in this thread you claim to be able to discern the difference between circulation wear and roll friction from a photograph.&nbsp;&nbsp; So keep spinning your web of lies and deceit and I will continue to expose them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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