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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1376407, member: 15309"]This discussion is not at all about the TPG's changing their grading standards. You claimed that PCGS blew the grade of the OP's coin. I pointed out that PCGS graded it correctly according to their own standards when they accounted for "roll friction". At that point, you decided to resort to one of your tricks and claim that back in the gold old days, "roll friction" didn't exist. I then provide indisputable evidence that you are wrong and that PCGS has recognized "roll friction" as it pertains to WLH's for a very long time. Then you decided to resort to a sarcastic quip.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think you just enjoy arguing with me. When you said PCGS blew it, what you meant was that you think the coin should grade AU because of YOUR OWN STANDARDS. By your admission on this forum hundreds of times, you think that wear from any source should relegate a coin to AU status. PCGS & NGC do not use that same standard and will often allow high point wear using either "roll friction" or "cabinet friction" to explain why a mint state exhibits such wear. Furthermore, you are completely aware that both TPG's do this and are also aware they have been doing it for a very long time. The problem here is that there is a fundamental difference of opinion between YOUR grading standards and the grading standards employed by the TPG's. It has nothing to do with the consistency of the TPG's grading standards. In a nutshell, you want the two coins shown below to be graded the same.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Walking%20Liberty%20Half%20Dollars/WLH1944-SNGCMS66RF.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1160&lotNo=4025&lotIdNo=173005" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1160&lotNo=4025&lotIdNo=173005" rel="nofollow">1944-S Walking Liberty Half Dollar NGC <b>MS66 Roll Friction</b></a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Walking%20Liberty%20Half%20Dollars/WLH1941-SPCGSAU58.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131203&lotNo=22381" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131203&lotNo=22381" rel="nofollow">1941-S Walking Liberty Half Dollar PCGS <b>AU58 Circulation</b></a></p><p><br /></p><p>And while you are entitled to your opinion that these two coins should have identical grades and similar values, the TPG's disagree with your opinion. Furthermore, I disagree with you. And most importantly, the market does not agree with you. So rather than try to claim that the TPG's have changed their standards and that I and the rest of the numismatic lemmings blindly follow their every step with a glass of kool-aid in hand, just admit the TRUTH.</p><p><br /></p><p>TRUTH: You have different grading standards than the TPG's.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1376407, member: 15309"]This discussion is not at all about the TPG's changing their grading standards. You claimed that PCGS blew the grade of the OP's coin. I pointed out that PCGS graded it correctly according to their own standards when they accounted for "roll friction". At that point, you decided to resort to one of your tricks and claim that back in the gold old days, "roll friction" didn't exist. I then provide indisputable evidence that you are wrong and that PCGS has recognized "roll friction" as it pertains to WLH's for a very long time. Then you decided to resort to a sarcastic quip. I think you just enjoy arguing with me. When you said PCGS blew it, what you meant was that you think the coin should grade AU because of YOUR OWN STANDARDS. By your admission on this forum hundreds of times, you think that wear from any source should relegate a coin to AU status. PCGS & NGC do not use that same standard and will often allow high point wear using either "roll friction" or "cabinet friction" to explain why a mint state exhibits such wear. Furthermore, you are completely aware that both TPG's do this and are also aware they have been doing it for a very long time. The problem here is that there is a fundamental difference of opinion between YOUR grading standards and the grading standards employed by the TPG's. It has nothing to do with the consistency of the TPG's grading standards. In a nutshell, you want the two coins shown below to be graded the same. [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Walking%20Liberty%20Half%20Dollars/WLH1944-SNGCMS66RF.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=1160&lotNo=4025&lotIdNo=173005"]1944-S Walking Liberty Half Dollar NGC [B]MS66 Roll Friction[/B][/URL] [IMG]http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o59/ACPitBoss/Walking%20Liberty%20Half%20Dollars/WLH1941-SPCGSAU58.jpg[/IMG] [URL="http://coins.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=131203&lotNo=22381"]1941-S Walking Liberty Half Dollar PCGS [B]AU58 Circulation[/B][/URL] And while you are entitled to your opinion that these two coins should have identical grades and similar values, the TPG's disagree with your opinion. Furthermore, I disagree with you. And most importantly, the market does not agree with you. So rather than try to claim that the TPG's have changed their standards and that I and the rest of the numismatic lemmings blindly follow their every step with a glass of kool-aid in hand, just admit the TRUTH. TRUTH: You have different grading standards than the TPG's.[/QUOTE]
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