PCGS 1881-S Morgan Dollar - Guess The Grade!

64 would be my guess. 65 would not shock me, but I would disagree if that graded it 5. I can't tell from the photos but it appears to have a very minor strikethrough or a minor lamination peel.

 

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I am going to take this to my coin dealer Thursday, so he will be able to educate me on all these "errors", and be able to see them in person

 

Here are the pics!

 

Otay peeps, it's time to come clean. Ryan and I were experimenting with the Power of Suggestion to see if peeps are swayed by other peeps opinions on here and I believe the answer to that is . . . Oh yeah!

When he bought this I told him about my idea and he figured why not but when he posted it, he forgot to check with me to see if his wording would work, because one of the things I was going to use was the fact it was in an old green slab and since it's common knowledge that some peeps buy the older slabbed coins, to resubmit for a higher grade today, I figured I could use that to fool "some" of you into giving his coin a lower grade, hence, the reason for my first post (although I already knew it was in a old green slab). Whether or not I actually fooled you or not, can be debated but the fact that it is an old green label PCGS MS-65 is a fact and all but one person gave it a MS-63 grade, which was ole Zaney. :thumb: He even stipulated it might even be a MS-65 but he would argue that, but his solid MS-64 grade was the only one near the actual grade. Good job Zaney!

Others have talked about this before and I thought instead of talking about it, we'd turn it into an experiment to see if it was the case and Doug really sealed everyone's fate by piping in so early with his MS-63 grade. I told Ryan that it was over and the likelihood of anyone going over MS-63 was slim to none, once Doug piped in, and he wanted to fess up last night but I made him wait and I'm glad we did, since it gave Zaney a chance to be different than everyone else.

Anyways, even though the proof is in the pudding, this can always be argued but I thought the outcome was interesting.

Ribbit

 

i would have given this an MS 62 with that much chatter about the face.

Ruben

 

IMO this photo does not look like a MS65

 

whats a strikethrough??

Ruben

 

This is a 66.

 

there are scratches on the face of that one also and have no idea how either are about a 63. The later one though has a great CAM.

Ruben

 

Well as most of us know, PCGS is the top and most accurate price guide. I'm pretty sure that they knew what they were doing I myself do not see that much chatter on the face in hand, maybe it was just the angle the photo was taken it

 

That strikethrough (And it does look like wire) sure is a neat thing to have on a Morgan, and I would think it adds a lot of value (If the prices for die clashed ones that I have seen sell mean anything).

Coin is a 64+, the first pic is very bright, like you used a flash or something, that coin has very few hits on it and really looks nice to me. If it was a decent date I'd easily think it'd hit 65 (81-S = Megacommon)

Really neat coin!

 

Read whole thread... THEN Post.

must...bang...head...against...wall..

 

I thought around 63/64, myself.

 

If that is an MS65 then how would you grade this?

 

What are those marks from the cheekbone to the jaw line?

Ruben

 

Hey Brooky? Is that a deep ding on the eagle's left leg/thigh? :kewl:

Ribbit

 

Now your coin would be a little different, If you were to compare the breast feathers on yours to mine, you would see that yours are much "fainter" and not and strong detailed as mine. This also goes with most of the hair strands on Ms. Liberty.

EDIT: I just saw it was a New Orleans mint mark, so they didn't have good strikes. I would say a good MS-63 or a possible MS-64 if you get lucky, due to the damage Toad mentioned, and I also see a few other hits or marks visible.

 

It might be. I'll have to look at the original coin again. Meanwhile though, that is a good size frost break on that 65. In my mind, 65's can't have such frost breaks on a prime focal area, or any focal area. 65 is the climb to perfection. There shouldn't be anything more than 5 little dents on an otherwise perfect coin, with a slight loss of original luster.

Ruben

 

I didn't buy it as a mint state coin and I think your beginning to drive home my point. I can't see an MS65 coin with all that frost break on the face.

Ruben

 

maybe I'm out of practice grading Morgans. I haven't looked at them in about 6months and have been focused on SLQ and Mercs. On top of that I have the audacity to be reading the ANA guildlines and nothing in them allows for that much frost break.

Ruben