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<p>[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 21192, member: 57463"]The Latin is CAVEAT EMPTOR. (From the ruins of Pompeii is a mosaic with a snarling dog that says: CAVE CANEM (Beware of Dog).)</p><p><br /></p><p>More to the point, you KNEW to go to Heritage. That knowledge cost you time and money to earn. You reaped the reward. People who buy what they do not understand -- what they have not invested effort in understanding -- pay more for the goods, but nothing for the knowledge they lack. We might say they pay only the correct price for the goods and they reimburse the seller for the time invested in knowledge. There are a lot of ways to look at it.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coin dealers subscribe to information services not open to collectors. I would bet that your $650 Double Eagle sells for $550 between dealers because the price of gold is a floor. With a true collector coin, say a $750 Seated Quarter slabbed MS 62 from 1843, 1847, 1852, etc., the dealer-to-dealer price is probably half of that, a 100% mark-up.</p><p><br /></p><p>About ten years ago, for an interview with the Wall Street Journal over the "Athena Fund" debacle, Harlan J. Berk said that these coins were all overpriced in the portfolio because dealers usually take only (quote - only) a 100% mark-up over wholesale. That caused a furor, but no one refuted him. I had one dealer declare that he can sell any coin at a 10% markup... as long as it was a nice example of a high-demand coin, such as a denarius of Nero. (Well, yes, of course...)</p><p><br /></p><p>Collectors do not count the true cost of shopping for a bargain. The time spent online, the time spent in coin shops, at club meetings, reading the weekly newspapers, and so on are all overhead costs. It is a hobby, after all, but the fact remains. I believe that if collectors saved their money and attended conventions, they would pay many of the same overheads measured in travel expenses. </p><p><br /></p><p>At a convention, you have 100 to 300 registered dealers, not anonymous usernames. You can see the coins live, not scanned. You bargain directly with the seller, rather than bidding against other buyers. </p><p><br /></p><p>Furthermore, at conventions, there are indeed auctions. You get a catalog (free). You can inspect the lots. Auctions are all different and I have only been to a few, but the ones I sat in on were attended overwhelmingly by dealers. I went only as a reporter, not a buyer, but when I saw the hammer prices, I started fishing in my briefcase for my number before the light of reason went on and I recognized a conflict of interest. Would you rather "win" a retail $750 coin for $550 from an online username or from Heritage?</p><p><br /></p><p>Education time is a key example of the benefits to going to conventions. At the ANA in Pittsburgh, Michael Fey gave a Numismatic Theater presentation on trends in the Morgan Dollar Markets. You can pay to go to an ANA convention, or you can pay more for that Morgan Dollar a year or two from now when the person who sat where you did not reaps their profits.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="kaparthy, post: 21192, member: 57463"]The Latin is CAVEAT EMPTOR. (From the ruins of Pompeii is a mosaic with a snarling dog that says: CAVE CANEM (Beware of Dog).) More to the point, you KNEW to go to Heritage. That knowledge cost you time and money to earn. You reaped the reward. People who buy what they do not understand -- what they have not invested effort in understanding -- pay more for the goods, but nothing for the knowledge they lack. We might say they pay only the correct price for the goods and they reimburse the seller for the time invested in knowledge. There are a lot of ways to look at it. Coin dealers subscribe to information services not open to collectors. I would bet that your $650 Double Eagle sells for $550 between dealers because the price of gold is a floor. With a true collector coin, say a $750 Seated Quarter slabbed MS 62 from 1843, 1847, 1852, etc., the dealer-to-dealer price is probably half of that, a 100% mark-up. About ten years ago, for an interview with the Wall Street Journal over the "Athena Fund" debacle, Harlan J. Berk said that these coins were all overpriced in the portfolio because dealers usually take only (quote - only) a 100% mark-up over wholesale. That caused a furor, but no one refuted him. I had one dealer declare that he can sell any coin at a 10% markup... as long as it was a nice example of a high-demand coin, such as a denarius of Nero. (Well, yes, of course...) Collectors do not count the true cost of shopping for a bargain. The time spent online, the time spent in coin shops, at club meetings, reading the weekly newspapers, and so on are all overhead costs. It is a hobby, after all, but the fact remains. I believe that if collectors saved their money and attended conventions, they would pay many of the same overheads measured in travel expenses. At a convention, you have 100 to 300 registered dealers, not anonymous usernames. You can see the coins live, not scanned. You bargain directly with the seller, rather than bidding against other buyers. Furthermore, at conventions, there are indeed auctions. You get a catalog (free). You can inspect the lots. Auctions are all different and I have only been to a few, but the ones I sat in on were attended overwhelmingly by dealers. I went only as a reporter, not a buyer, but when I saw the hammer prices, I started fishing in my briefcase for my number before the light of reason went on and I recognized a conflict of interest. Would you rather "win" a retail $750 coin for $550 from an online username or from Heritage? Education time is a key example of the benefits to going to conventions. At the ANA in Pittsburgh, Michael Fey gave a Numismatic Theater presentation on trends in the Morgan Dollar Markets. You can pay to go to an ANA convention, or you can pay more for that Morgan Dollar a year or two from now when the person who sat where you did not reaps their profits.[/QUOTE]
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