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Message:: [QUOTE="sixsix, post: 674838, member: 20180"]HiPlease tell me more about these two 17th Century coins. This is what I think I know: They are Spanish Netherlands / Belgium coins known as Patagons or Patacons. I am not sure how to determine if they are 1/4, 1/2 or 1 in value. Or are they? The one on the left in the upper photo has the very faint and obscured date of 1616 at the top. I think it was minted at Tournais. I do know one thing for sure - these photos suck! On what I think is the Reverse is a Shield in the middle of the field w/ small Lions and cross hatched areas, a Crown is on top. It also has the text - starting from the rt. of the Crown CW: ARCHI dot AVSTDVCES a symbol or device at bot BURG_ _ dot _ORNZ On the Obverse with a Cross and Crown:ALBERTVS dot ET dot ELIS symbol or device ABET dot DEI GRATIA The one on the right in the upper photo has no readable date ( least not by me ) - not sure if it had one originally. There does not appear to be enough room for it above the Crown and Shield, which is higher in the field. I think it was minted at Brabant. It has the text - starting from the rt. of the Crown CW: ARCHIDVC dot AVST dot DVCES dot BURG dot ET dot BRAB dot Z On the Obverse with a Cross and Crown:ALBERTVS a dot ET a dot ELISABET a dot DEI GRATIA Obviously, the coins are silver and are very much alike and very old - easily 2 centuries older than my next oldest coin. It's been 35 years since they were out of the airtite. I just wish I knew more about them. Can you help? Thanks, Mike ( the long winded one )[/QUOTE]

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