Particularly western iconography on the trachea of the Latin Empire of Constantinople

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  1. Quant.Geek

    Quant.Geek Well-Known Member

    Those two are really nice! The specimen I have clearly indicates that it is NOT the Virgin Mary:

    Latin Rulers of Constantinople: Anonymous (1204-1261) BI Large Module, Constantinople (Sear 2041; CLBC 11.20.1; DOC IV Type U)
    Obv: Columnar legend ΟΑΓΙΟC to left, ΝΚΟΛΛΟC to right; Full-length figure of St. Nicholas, bearded and nimbate, orans, wears episcopal vestments, including omophorion and sakkon
    Rev: Columnar legend ΟΑΓΙ to left, ΙШΟΠΡΔΡΟΜΟ to right; Full-length figure of St. John the Baptist, bearded and nimbate, wearing tunic and mantle, holds in right hand patriarchal cross on long shaft, and his left hand is placed on some uncertain object (perhaps a pole or short column), or is perhaps displaying a scroll reaching to the ground
    Dim: 30 mm, 4.0 g

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    I am certain I posted this earlier, but here is one that has been clipped excessively:

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  3. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Are you telling me this coin depicts Peter, Paul and Mary?
     
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  4. BenSi

    BenSi Well-Known Member

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    Latin Rulers of Constantinople, 1204-1261. Trachy (Billon, 22 mm, 3.10 g, 6 h), Constantinople. IC - XC Facing bust of Christ Pantokrator. Rev. Archangel Michael standing facing, holding lis-tipped scepter in right hand and globus cruciger in left. DOC 16. SB 2036. Exceptionally well centered and struck. Extremely fine.

    Not as rare but in great condition, unusual for the issues.
    This whole time period gets confusing, from the Latin issues to the Bulgarian issues or faithful copies depending on who you read.
     
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  5. seth77

    seth77 Well-Known Member

    There is a series of these that have no mark of minting authority and that Metcalf tied to the period of Ivan Asen II and his diplomatic overtures towards Rome, minted perhaps at Veroe between the 1230s and 1241, which is an interesting hypothesis that Balkan historian and numismatists seem to favor for two basic reasons: A. not much of stamena/trachea of these types are from Constantinople itself and B. they appear in Danubian and maritime Bulgaria and even north of Danube to the Dnieper, in places traditionally of interest to the Bulgarians, and less in Thracia and Northern Greece.

    On the other hand, what @Quant.Geek noticed about differences in iconography and a certain irregularity of styles, coupled with the dual modules (most if not all "medium" modules are actually cut large modules) might point to the theory of the 'Imperial mint' vs the 'Public mint' -- the latter being a 'Venetian' operation for the Bulgarian trade. The latest support for this comes from Baker in Money and Coins in Medieval Greece 1200-1430 (pp. 1227-9). The sequence provided by R. Glanfield seems to indicate around the mid 1230s.

    Here's Type P and Type R large modules:

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    Type P Christ and Archangel Michael


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    Type R Christ and Virgin Orans
     
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