Paper Money: New Acquisitions

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Dr Kegg, Dec 16, 2010.

  1. Notaphylic_C

    Notaphylic_C Well-Known Member

    -Your best bet is to put them in proper currency sleeves & keep them in a dry place. Moisture will cause toning (or browning) & most collectors can notice if the note has been lightly pressed (placed in a book). The paper used in most books has been bleached & traces can leach into the note (& lighten its appearance). Take a closer look at your 10 & 20 yuan notes & you will see they still have crispness & some embossing (use a magnifying glass & you will see the texture left by the printing process) where the notes haven't been folded. Compare them to the more circulated notes.

    It is really unfortunate that some collectors think they can improve the appearance of a note by flattening (or doctoring) them somehow. All efforts to improve a note's appearance are noticeable once you've developed an eye for it- the various means of processing a note (if one has been collecting long enough the evidence jumps out at you).

    -Very understandable as a lot of African notes have beautiful designs. Kenya_10S_P16.jpeg Kenya_10S_P16_R.jpeg
     
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  3. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    @Notaphylic_C

    I appreciate the wealth of knowledge you have in these matters and will leave well alone. Straight into sleeves it is.
     
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  4. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

  5. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Sounds like good advice to me.
     
  6. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    I hate when I can’t see the year. All old bills are new to me
     
  7. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    Just organized a swap for these 4 Aussie notes which will fill a few gaps.
    I will post better scans when they arrive.

    Aussie swap.jpg
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2022
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  8. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    Found in circulation.
    2 x 2015 NZ $10 Type II Wheeler - First prefix of year AA
    Condition VF

    Last prefix has not been advised yet, but I kept a BO just in case
    NZ $10 AA.jpg
     
  9. Notaphylic_C

    Notaphylic_C Well-Known Member

    Can you tell me why the "First prefix of year AA" is important? I had never heard of this trend (to seek out the 1st prefix) until I started collecting World currency (esp UK, AUD & NZ collectors).

    In Canada first prefix notes are inconsequential & I'm still trying to figure out why they're "sought after" according to World collectors (particularly from the UK & Australia). I get the last prefixes (which are usually short) but the first prefix baffles me.
    (Thanks in advance)
     
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  10. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    @Notaphylic_C

    @Notaphylic_C
    Yes, I am baffled by the idea - particularly first prefixes.

    If I find them for face I keep them in my collection because they could be good for swapping or potential gain of x2 or x3 face. Also at any stage they can be spent and will still be worth $10 minimum.

    John Bertrands 2022 guide ($10 page below) gives Wheeler AA15 rates up to $50 UNC.
    2022-09-24_152659.jpg
     
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  11. Notaphylic_C

    Notaphylic_C Well-Known Member

    -thanks for your reply & added attachment showing Bertrand's 2022 guide. Since the first 2 digits take care of the year the note was issued (like AA15 for the 2nd type of Graeme-Wheeler), I'm guessing that the first prefix is in fact 1,000,000 notes (like all the other prefixes) but that some collectors prefer these. It would be interesting to poll other collectors from NZ & Australia to see if they really do seek them. The last prefixes make sense b/c they can often be short runs.

    The reason I suggest you poll other collectors is b/c in Canada we have what are called "insert replacements" listed in our Charlton guide. I've personally seen interest in these inserts grow & wane yet the catalogue never shows the inserts slip in book value. We have to account for who is on the pricing panel & some of these members are avid insert collector/dealers! (I know its a conflict of interest).

    Also, I don't find there is much demand for newer notes & even the retired series (15+ years old) don't sell like the much older series (50+ years old). In that regard, Charlton is hopelessly optimistic (with inflated book values).

    Another thing you'd never see a demand for here is AA07/AA08 same # collector sets. We had a matching Birds & Journey set our central bank released about 20 years ago called "Lasting Impressions" that flopped (nobody bought them). Most collectors here I know loathe sets! LOL
     
  12. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    @Notaphylic_C

    This is definitely an issue IMO

    Most of the collectors I have communications with are overseas, so I don't think I can get an opinion on NZ first prefixes. However, checking one Auckland dealers website brings up 52 listings for 'first prefix' NZ banknotes. Here's a selection with mind blowing prices - also bearing in mind these are not slabbed.

    2015 NZ - $10 - 10 Conseq - Wheeler - 1st Prefix - AA15767830-39 $500 Unc

    2018 NZ - $50 - Orr - 1st Prefix- AA18973997, AA18973998 - Unc $500
    1995 NZ- $100 Polymer - Brash - 1st Prefix - AA99 959620 Unc $400
    1989-92 NZ - $20 - Brash 'Type 1' - 1st Prefix -THT000013 - Unc $700
     
  13. Notaphylic_C

    Notaphylic_C Well-Known Member

    Dealers (& eBay "BIN" sellers) can ask whatever they want: it doesn't mean that they actually realize such lofty prices. (We've seen some outrageous eBay BIN prices but I'm sure most brick'n'mortar (LCS) dealers expect some haggling & typically their prices are closer to book value).

    What's interesting about the prices you have listed is that the dealer offers such recent (eg 2018) notes. It is difficult to buy newer series here (as most of that market for recent issued Bank of Canada stuff is almost exclusively eBay). You will see the odd newer item on auction but rarely in an LCS inventory.

    Sadly, that #13 $20 "Brash" note was probably $500 before QEII passed away.
     
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  14. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    @Notaphylic_C

    That poses a question - where do the dealers get their stock? They always have such great prefixes

    The 1989-92 NZ - $20 - Brash 'Type 1' - 1st Prefix -THT000013 - Unc $700 is listed in Bertrands Cat. at $130. Last prefix listed at $550

    One of his higher prices
    1992-99 NZ - $100 Replacement Pair - Brash - ZZ009325-6 - Unc $4600

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    This Auckland dealer has a small shop in Royal Oak, Auckland and states on his website

    'Certificates for 3,000 sales on eBay and 4000 on Trade Me. Numerous achievements during our years in the numismatic trade, including 3 terms as a director of the International Bank Note Society. Peter is currently President of the New Zealand Numismatic Dealers Association'
     
  15. Notaphylic_C

    Notaphylic_C Well-Known Member

    They usually get their stock from other dealers but occasionally buy from walk-in customers. But they rarely buy notes from a previous series (unless a special serial, replacement, or dramatic error) & usually seek the older series (like 50+ years old).

    Thought that price seemed very high. I saw some comments to that affect on some of the other forums re: QEII notes & checked eBay for Canadian 2004 $20 & they have all seemed to have inflated in price. Most of these notes are very common & the prices are unrealistic IMO.
     
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  16. Notaphylic_C

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  17. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    @Notaphylic_C

    Very nice paper Brash - First Hillary 92/93 Type II First Prefix $5 :)
    I'm surprised by the cat. price on that one.

    I have polymer first prefixes from 2009 Issue 6 - Bollard,
    and 2015 Issue 7 Wheeler.

    The mountain looks different on those 2 issues, although it is stated to be Mount Cook, in NZ South Island, which is the country's highest mountain.
    It was the scene of Sir Edmund Hillary’s earliest, major climbing successes and was one of his favorite mountains.

    Kaokao is the name of the pattern included on the banknote. It is from the Tane-Nui-A-Rangi meeting house on the University of Auckland marae

    NZ 5 First Prefix.jpg

    Reverses for comparison 2009 and 2015
    NZ 5 reverse.jpg
     
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  18. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    NZ $10 Millennium note.
    I am short of a UNC example, and they go for high figures. so I took a gamble on a NZ auction for 9 notes.

    Photos were poor but it was stated 'Some are used, while others are unused in perfect condition'. Paid 23% over face for the 9 notes. I could see one had minor corner damage (still spendable), but everything else was a mystery.

    Arrived today and received a pleasant surprise.
    3 UNC/aUNC - cat value 2 Black Serial x $50
    inc one rare RED Serial (only 500,000 issued). Value $70
    5 EF/VF valued at $15-20, and one damaged to spend at $10

    The lower one shown has a nice number 00033222

    RED SERIAL NZ 00810409
    Millennium pair.jpg
    BLACK Serial BD 00033222

    Here's the auction photo - not very exciting.
    Millenium auction.jpg
     
  19. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    Another arrival this morning from a friend

    3 notes from Zambia
    Zambia.jpg

    Zambia R.jpg
     
    Last edited: Sep 30, 2022
  20. BasSWarwick

    BasSWarwick Well-Known Member

    Cambodia 1956 - 1 Riel

    Cambodia 1956  1 Riel.jpg
     
  21. Notaphylic_C

    Notaphylic_C Well-Known Member

    @BasSWarwick - I really like the lot of commemorative Tens you won. The red serial number must have been a fabulous surprise (along with the UNC condition of the 3 notes). Did you win this from a local auction or Australian auction?
    -Nice friend!
    Here's the 5: Zam_P25d_5K.jpg Zam_P25d_5K_r.jpg
    -that match the 50 series you posted. Zambia was one of the first nations I acquired when I started to wet my toes in World notes.
     

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