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<p>[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 4542767, member: 110226"]A fair price is relative, based on: 1) what you can afford, and 2) what's an appealing example for you. Factor 1 is easy to determine, but factor 2 has more elements to it, including period (Starr groups, early transitional mass production, mass production), the quality of the dies, strike, wear, flan shape and surface conditions, including toning, patina, horn silver deposits and visible corrosion. </p><p><br /></p><p>I think, if you are just buying an owl for type, you want to look for a coin that has wide appeal, one that has a certain presence. For me that means style over grade. I am much more included to buy a coin at a lower grade, if it appeals to me in artistry and execution of strike, over a higher grade coin that has lower appeal.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a coin that I purchased recently for $800. It is a mass production owl and it was struck on a very oblong flan that barely accommodates the elements of the obverse die, but what a die! In terms of conveying the Athenian state, it serves that purpose very well. The crest is missing, and a small part of the nose is off the flan, but the obverse style is fine. There are many other such examples out there, many of which includes part or all of the crest and sometimes the necklace and neck guard.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1124584[/ATTACH] </p><p>Now, getting back to your question, I think you could get a nice VF mass production coin for around $500-$600 or so.</p><p><br /></p><p>I am not promoting or guaranteeing the authenticity of the following coins. These are coins currently available online:</p><p><br /></p><p>This is an owl that has not been slabbed, on offer by a seller from Germany, who is accepting offers.</p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tetradrachm-of-Athens-in-Attika-Rv-in-Incusum-owl-standing-right/373068319430?hash=item56dc9acac6:g:SoEAAOSwvjVe0U4l" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tetradrachm-of-Athens-in-Attika-Rv-in-Incusum-owl-standing-right/373068319430?hash=item56dc9acac6:g:SoEAAOSwvjVe0U4l" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tetradrachm-of-Athens-in-Attika-Rv-in-Incusum-owl-standing-right/373068319430?hash=item56dc9acac6:g:SoEAAOSwvjVe0U4l</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a slabbed owl, somewhat crude but fairly well centered, (you could try to negotiate a lower price with this seller - I've had some luck in the past).</p><p><a href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Athens-Greece-Athena-Owl-Tetradrachm-Coin-440-404-BC-NGC-Choice-VF/143540794986?hash=item216bb2b66a:g:igUAAOSwNTheVHkH" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Athens-Greece-Athena-Owl-Tetradrachm-Coin-440-404-BC-NGC-Choice-VF/143540794986?hash=item216bb2b66a:g:igUAAOSwNTheVHkH" rel="nofollow">https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Athens-Greece-Athena-Owl-Tetradrachm-Coin-440-404-BC-NGC-Choice-VF/143540794986?hash=item216bb2b66a:g:igUAAOSwNTheVHkH</a></p><p><br /></p><p>This is a "budget" owl ($300) listed on VCoins. The centering is good, but there are counterstamps on the reverse, which generally don't bother me, and a possible countermark on the obverse.</p><p><a href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ken_dorney/52/product/attica_athens_454__404_bc_silver_tetradrachm/1287031/Default.aspx" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ken_dorney/52/product/attica_athens_454__404_bc_silver_tetradrachm/1287031/Default.aspx" rel="nofollow">https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ken_dorney/52/product/attica_athens_454__404_bc_silver_tetradrachm/1287031/Default.aspx</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="robinjojo, post: 4542767, member: 110226"]A fair price is relative, based on: 1) what you can afford, and 2) what's an appealing example for you. Factor 1 is easy to determine, but factor 2 has more elements to it, including period (Starr groups, early transitional mass production, mass production), the quality of the dies, strike, wear, flan shape and surface conditions, including toning, patina, horn silver deposits and visible corrosion. I think, if you are just buying an owl for type, you want to look for a coin that has wide appeal, one that has a certain presence. For me that means style over grade. I am much more included to buy a coin at a lower grade, if it appeals to me in artistry and execution of strike, over a higher grade coin that has lower appeal. Here is a coin that I purchased recently for $800. It is a mass production owl and it was struck on a very oblong flan that barely accommodates the elements of the obverse die, but what a die! In terms of conveying the Athenian state, it serves that purpose very well. The crest is missing, and a small part of the nose is off the flan, but the obverse style is fine. There are many other such examples out there, many of which includes part or all of the crest and sometimes the necklace and neck guard. [ATTACH=full]1124584[/ATTACH] Now, getting back to your question, I think you could get a nice VF mass production coin for around $500-$600 or so. I am not promoting or guaranteeing the authenticity of the following coins. These are coins currently available online: This is an owl that has not been slabbed, on offer by a seller from Germany, who is accepting offers. [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Tetradrachm-of-Athens-in-Attika-Rv-in-Incusum-owl-standing-right/373068319430?hash=item56dc9acac6:g:SoEAAOSwvjVe0U4l[/URL] Here's a slabbed owl, somewhat crude but fairly well centered, (you could try to negotiate a lower price with this seller - I've had some luck in the past). [URL]https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ancient-Athens-Greece-Athena-Owl-Tetradrachm-Coin-440-404-BC-NGC-Choice-VF/143540794986?hash=item216bb2b66a:g:igUAAOSwNTheVHkH[/URL] This is a "budget" owl ($300) listed on VCoins. The centering is good, but there are counterstamps on the reverse, which generally don't bother me, and a possible countermark on the obverse. [URL]https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/ken_dorney/52/product/attica_athens_454__404_bc_silver_tetradrachm/1287031/Default.aspx[/URL][/QUOTE]
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