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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8257600, member: 26430"]Main topic: I've been wondering about this Athens (?) Drachm since I (successfully) bid on it (Roma Numismatics Limited, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2370347" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2370347" rel="nofollow">E-Sale 16, 28 Feb 2015, Lot 74</a>). Their photo.</p><p><br /></p><p>The weight is only ~3.35g (14.5mm, 1h), which might happen with a heavily cleaned encrusted one, but is more consistent with some of the Judaean-Philistian-Gazan types. Even Bablyonian?! (See <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2523504" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2523504" rel="nofollow">Agora 34, 91</a>.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Most imitations are obviously not Athenian issues, but others stuck closely to the prototypes. I kinda think it looks more like (some of) the imitations, but could be my imagination. From my notes on this one:</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><i><b>Comparanda</b>:</i></p><p>For Phlistia, Gaza imitations, see Gitler and Tal 2006; esp. <b><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Tal+VII.1D&category=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Tal+VII.1D&category=1" rel="nofollow">Gitler & Tal VII.1D</a></b> (possible var./crescent missing?); or <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Tal+VIII.1D&category=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Tal+VIII.1D&category=1" rel="nofollow">possibly VIII.1D</a> var?</p><p>Cf. <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3341240" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3341240" rel="nofollow">CNG e-Auction 374 (11 May 2016), Lot 229</a> (different dies, similar style, esp. obv.) = <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2523504" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2523504" rel="nofollow">Agora Sale 34 (9 June 2015), Lot 91</a> (as Babylonia, fourree).</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>Any thoughts?</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1456020[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's my no-doubt Philistian/Gazan imitation <i>Obol</i>. Apologies for image quality. The crescent behind the owl gives it away (as well as the square flan and other details of style).</p><p><br /></p><p>Agora Auctions, <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3996757" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3996757" rel="nofollow">Sale 18 (14 Oct 2014), Lot 22</a>. Greek Phlistia, Gaza. 5th-4th B.C. AR obol (8.2 mm, 0.66 g, 11 h). Their photo:</p><p>[ATTACH]1456021[/ATTACH]</p><p>Tiny! With some other tiny friends:</p><p>[ATTACH]1456022[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>A recent totally non-Athens-related Samarian AR Obol (Ma'eh; 8mm, 0.57 g, 12h) from the Samaria Hoard (SH 165 = MQ 1999: 187 (cited on page 77, 117) = MQ 1991: 71 = Athena Fund II 972 = Wyssman (2019) MQ187.J. = ex Jay Galst Collection, his tags ill.):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1456023[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Some classical Tets:</p><p>[ATTACH]1456024[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1456025[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1456026[/ATTACH]</p><p>New Style (first one is CNG's photo):</p><p>[ATTACH]1456028[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1456027[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><font size="5"><b><i>PLEASE POST:</i></b> Any opinions on the Drachm (Athens or imitation) or any Judaean, Philistian, Gazan, Samarian, etc., or just some owls if you're in the mood!</font></p></blockquote><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8257600, member: 26430"]Main topic: I've been wondering about this Athens (?) Drachm since I (successfully) bid on it (Roma Numismatics Limited, [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2370347']E-Sale 16, 28 Feb 2015, Lot 74[/URL]). Their photo. The weight is only ~3.35g (14.5mm, 1h), which might happen with a heavily cleaned encrusted one, but is more consistent with some of the Judaean-Philistian-Gazan types. Even Bablyonian?! (See [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2523504']Agora 34, 91[/URL].) Most imitations are obviously not Athenian issues, but others stuck closely to the prototypes. I kinda think it looks more like (some of) the imitations, but could be my imagination. From my notes on this one: [INDENT][I][B]Comparanda[/B]:[/I] For Phlistia, Gaza imitations, see Gitler and Tal 2006; esp. [B][URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Tal+VII.1D&category=1']Gitler & Tal VII.1D[/URL][/B] (possible var./crescent missing?); or [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=Tal+VIII.1D&category=1']possibly VIII.1D[/URL] var? Cf. [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3341240']CNG e-Auction 374 (11 May 2016), Lot 229[/URL] (different dies, similar style, esp. obv.) = [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2523504']Agora Sale 34 (9 June 2015), Lot 91[/URL] (as Babylonia, fourree).[/INDENT] Any thoughts? [ATTACH=full]1456020[/ATTACH] Here's my no-doubt Philistian/Gazan imitation [I]Obol[/I]. Apologies for image quality. The crescent behind the owl gives it away (as well as the square flan and other details of style). Agora Auctions, [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3996757']Sale 18 (14 Oct 2014), Lot 22[/URL]. Greek Phlistia, Gaza. 5th-4th B.C. AR obol (8.2 mm, 0.66 g, 11 h). Their photo: [ATTACH]1456021[/ATTACH] Tiny! With some other tiny friends: [ATTACH]1456022[/ATTACH] A recent totally non-Athens-related Samarian AR Obol (Ma'eh; 8mm, 0.57 g, 12h) from the Samaria Hoard (SH 165 = MQ 1999: 187 (cited on page 77, 117) = MQ 1991: 71 = Athena Fund II 972 = Wyssman (2019) MQ187.J. = ex Jay Galst Collection, his tags ill.): [ATTACH=full]1456023[/ATTACH] Some classical Tets: [ATTACH]1456024[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1456025[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1456026[/ATTACH] New Style (first one is CNG's photo): [ATTACH]1456028[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1456027[/ATTACH] [INDENT][SIZE=5][B][I]PLEASE POST:[/I][/B] Any opinions on the Drachm (Athens or imitation) or any Judaean, Philistian, Gazan, Samarian, etc., or just some owls if you're in the mood![/SIZE][/INDENT][/QUOTE]
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