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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3088663, member: 56859"]Those Ephesus issues are so beautiful and this is no exception. What a marvelous portrait!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Hmm, "overpaid" is a tricky word. In many instances I've paid more than I wanted to pay but I bid what I had to bid to acquire the coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are a few such examples:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/domitianagathodaemononhorse-rt-jpg.759269/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>EGYPT, Alexandria. Domitian.</b> Regnal year 10, CE 90/91. Æ diobol (25mm, 10.86 g, 12h). AVT KAICAP ΔΟ ΜΙΤ CEB ΓΕΡΜ, laureate head right / Agathodaemon serpent, wearing the skhent crown (emblematic of upper and lower Egypt), on horseback galloping left; L I (date) below. Köln –; Dattari (Savio) –; K&G 24.109; RPC II 2585; SNG Copenhagen 214; Emmett 277.10 (R5).</p><p><i>Ex Giovanni Maria Staffieri Collection</i></p><p><i>Ex West Coast/Lloyd Beauchaine Collection (Classical Numismatic Group 41, 19 March 1997), lot 1110</i></p><p><i>Ex Classical Numismatic Review Vol. XVI, No. 1 (January 1991), lot 31</i></p><p><i>Ex Numismatic Fine Arts Fall Mail Bid Sale (18 October 1990), lot 2365</i></p><p>Appearances:</p><p>Staffieri, Alexandria In Nummis 39 (<i>this coin</i>)</p><p>Obverse illustrated in Emmett as the header for the Domitian section, p. 24 (<i>this coin</i>)</p><p>Fully illustrated in Emmett, p. 26 (<i>this coin</i>, discussing the unusual reverse).</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/so-these-exist-snake-cowboys.314032/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/so-these-exist-snake-cowboys.314032/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/so-these-exist-snake-cowboys.314032/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cointalk.com%252Fproxy.php%253Fimage%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252Fproxy.php%25253Fimage%25253Dhttps%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252Fproxy.php%2525253Fimage%2525253Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252Fproxy.php%252525253Fimage%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252F%25252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252Fproxy.php%25252525253Fimage%25252525253Dhttps%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%2525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252525252Fproxy.php%2525252525253Fimage%2525252525253Dhttps%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252525252Fproxy.php%252525252525253Fimage%252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525252F%25252525252525252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%25252525252525252Fmedia%25252525252525252Fae43f8_7b2de20fa2f9493b92586ff830e4c774.jpg%25252525252525252Fv1%25252525252525252Ffill%25252525252525252Fw_1000%25252525252525252Ch_625%25252525252525252Cal_c%25252525252525252Cq_90%25252525252525252Fae43f8_7b2de20fa2f9493b92586ff830e4c774.jpg%2525252525252526hash%252525252525253D8fcd1894533ec93630413e836bfc6cc5%25252525252526hash%2525252525253D7dea61ccb90f0498bca9d71f14fb7660%252525252526hash%25252525253D234ee9318968e225ff518172658f3e25%2525252526hash%252525253D0265e08082821215dc8c4f9bfad9aaf6%25252526hash%2525253D683980e6c37af64782ed33fc543aa87b%252526hash%25253D8e733650da08e9dac4f2383a18f953d6%2526hash%253D6fdec3f45eb088f747b3652b6524bf3d%26hash%3D9fd2bbe8557f14d805be648f62c34af8&hash=4e8793fa566261b3e1413e2b48851cf0" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>SICILY, Syracuse. Agathokles (317-289 BCE)</b></p><p>struck 310-305 BCE</p><p>AR tetradrachm, 17.40 g, 24 mm</p><p>Obv: head of the nymph Arethusa left, wearing grain wreath, earring and necklace; around, three dolphins; under, monogram (NK?)</p><p>Rev: ΣYPAKOΣIΩN, fast chariot charioteer leads to left, holding reins and kentron; above, triskeles; in exergue, monogram</p><p>Ref: Ierardi 12 (O2-R8); SNG Copenhagen 573 var., SNG ANS 637</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-adventures-in-bidland-agathokles-tetradrachm.243930/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-adventures-in-bidland-agathokles-tetradrachm.243930/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-adventures-in-bidland-agathokles-tetradrachm.243930/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cointalk.com%252Fproxy.php%253Fimage%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252Fproxy.php%25253Fimage%25253Dhttps%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252Fproxy.php%2525253Fimage%2525253Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252Fproxy.php%252525253Fimage%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252F%25252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252Fproxy.php%25252525253Fimage%25252525253Dhttps%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%2525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252525252Fproxy.php%2525252525253Fimage%2525252525253Dhttps%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252525252Fproxy.php%252525252525253Fimage%252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525252F%25252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252525252Fproxy.php%25252525252525253Fimage%25252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252525252525252Fproxy.php%2525252525252525253Fimage%2525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525253A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252525252525252Fproxy.php%252525252525252525253Fimage%252525252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252525252525252Fproxy.php%25252525252525252525253Fimage%25252525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2525252525252525252525252Fmedia%2525252525252525252525252Fae43f8_be19610cf0d0438296b9691d2c71c9cc.jpg%2525252525252525252525252Fv1%2525252525252525252525252Ffit%2525252525252525252525252Fw_1702%2525252525252525252525252Ch_1064%2525252525252525252525252Cq_90%2525252525252525252525252Cusm_0.66_1.00_0.01%2525252525252525252525252Fae43f8_be19610cf0d0438296b9691d2c71c9cc.jpg%252525252525252525252526hash%25252525252525252525253Df8a3a1f91b7b1fdfc37607a9baae58f3%2525252525252525252526hash%252525252525252525253D75165a6384d6fcfb7bc592c9596745a9%25252525252525252526hash%2525252525252525253D38b7d5af62cd46b84bc8fafa14394fcc%252525252525252526hash%25252525252525253D69164ce0a2492a0ea294136a8a93f1b6%2525252525252526hash%252525252525253Dae7142fa58cb3e7ac1f660bb775b0f31%25252525252526hash%2525252525253D200d7b8c25d4829494f49b1dd36a9b8d%252525252526hash%25252525253Df00e4ad265c3dd8beeb49f8d62ecf238%2525252526hash%252525253D8346a65ee8874af7f3a2a95fe2641086%25252526hash%2525253D422ab03cfeadd63c7a46a360b28b0386%252526hash%25253Dfaf7995f9e62a71a5cc4af085cae0f59%2526hash%253Dbcfc73ef4a53edf57bddfff2815655f5%26hash%3D325d9e91fb9518febb99a2fdeebe5f2d&hash=403ab804e0b52021a4ac0bd4f95528aa" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>SICILY, Selinos.</b></p><p>Circa 410 BCE</p><p>AR litra, 11mm, 0.76 g, 1h</p><p>Obv: nymph seated left on rock, right hand raised above her head, extending her left hand to touch coiled serpent before her; selinon leaf above</p><p>Rev: man-faced bull standing right; ΣEΛINONTIOΣ above; in exergue, fish right</p><p>Ref: Potamikon, p. 116 figure 152 (<i>this coin</i>); HGC 2, 1229; SNG ANS 711–2 var. (ethnic); SNG Ashmolean 1904–5; SNG Lloyd 1270 var. (same); Basel –; Dewing –; Rizzo pl. XXXIII, 6. Rare.</p><p><i>ex MoneyMuseum, Zurich;</i></p><p><i>ex Leu 79 (31 October 2000), lot 404;</i></p><p><i>ex Athos Moretti collection, #482, unpublished manuscript.</i></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/selinos-litra-this-tiny-coin-has-it-all.258915/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/selinos-litra-this-tiny-coin-has-it-all.258915/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/selinos-litra-this-tiny-coin-has-it-all.258915/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ae43f8_ab60fd00616e4a02a0a6a1c59cb8ae34.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_625,al_c,q_90/ae43f8_ab60fd00616e4a02a0a6a1c59cb8ae34.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>BRUTTIUM, the Brettii</b></p><p>216-214 BCE</p><p>Æ quartuncia, 13.5mm, 2.06 g</p><p>Obv: head of Amphitrite left, wearing crab headdress</p><p>Rev: crab; torch above, BPET-TIΩN above and below</p><p>Ref: Pfeiler p. 33, 4a; Scheu, Bronze 51; HN Italy 1944; SNG ANS 123–4; SNG Lloyd –; McClean 1579</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-bronze-of-the-brettii-poseidons-wife.274722/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-bronze-of-the-brettii-poseidons-wife.274722/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-bronze-of-the-brettii-poseidons-wife.274722/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Perhaps it's easier to use the term "overpaid" for coins that are relatively easy to find in the market place and that in an average state of preservation, where recently sold comparisons are abundant. It becomes much harder to assign the term to coins that are rare or in unusually good states of preservation or of high artistry.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm very good at forgetting about how much I overpaid for some coins <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3088663, member: 56859"]Those Ephesus issues are so beautiful and this is no exception. What a marvelous portrait! Hmm, "overpaid" is a tricky word. In many instances I've paid more than I wanted to pay but I bid what I had to bid to acquire the coin. Here are a few such examples: [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/domitianagathodaemononhorse-rt-jpg.759269/[/IMG] [B]EGYPT, Alexandria. Domitian.[/B] Regnal year 10, CE 90/91. Æ diobol (25mm, 10.86 g, 12h). AVT KAICAP ΔΟ ΜΙΤ CEB ΓΕΡΜ, laureate head right / Agathodaemon serpent, wearing the skhent crown (emblematic of upper and lower Egypt), on horseback galloping left; L I (date) below. Köln –; Dattari (Savio) –; K&G 24.109; RPC II 2585; SNG Copenhagen 214; Emmett 277.10 (R5). [I]Ex Giovanni Maria Staffieri Collection Ex West Coast/Lloyd Beauchaine Collection (Classical Numismatic Group 41, 19 March 1997), lot 1110 Ex Classical Numismatic Review Vol. XVI, No. 1 (January 1991), lot 31 Ex Numismatic Fine Arts Fall Mail Bid Sale (18 October 1990), lot 2365[/I] Appearances: Staffieri, Alexandria In Nummis 39 ([I]this coin[/I]) Obverse illustrated in Emmett as the header for the Domitian section, p. 24 ([I]this coin[/I]) Fully illustrated in Emmett, p. 26 ([I]this coin[/I], discussing the unusual reverse). [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/so-these-exist-snake-cowboys.314032/[/url] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cointalk.com%252Fproxy.php%253Fimage%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252Fproxy.php%25253Fimage%25253Dhttps%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252Fproxy.php%2525253Fimage%2525253Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252Fproxy.php%252525253Fimage%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252F%25252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252Fproxy.php%25252525253Fimage%25252525253Dhttps%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%2525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252525252Fproxy.php%2525252525253Fimage%2525252525253Dhttps%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252525252Fproxy.php%252525252525253Fimage%252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525252F%25252525252525252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%25252525252525252Fmedia%25252525252525252Fae43f8_7b2de20fa2f9493b92586ff830e4c774.jpg%25252525252525252Fv1%25252525252525252Ffill%25252525252525252Fw_1000%25252525252525252Ch_625%25252525252525252Cal_c%25252525252525252Cq_90%25252525252525252Fae43f8_7b2de20fa2f9493b92586ff830e4c774.jpg%2525252525252526hash%252525252525253D8fcd1894533ec93630413e836bfc6cc5%25252525252526hash%2525252525253D7dea61ccb90f0498bca9d71f14fb7660%252525252526hash%25252525253D234ee9318968e225ff518172658f3e25%2525252526hash%252525253D0265e08082821215dc8c4f9bfad9aaf6%25252526hash%2525253D683980e6c37af64782ed33fc543aa87b%252526hash%25253D8e733650da08e9dac4f2383a18f953d6%2526hash%253D6fdec3f45eb088f747b3652b6524bf3d%26hash%3D9fd2bbe8557f14d805be648f62c34af8&hash=4e8793fa566261b3e1413e2b48851cf0[/IMG] [B]SICILY, Syracuse. Agathokles (317-289 BCE)[/B] struck 310-305 BCE AR tetradrachm, 17.40 g, 24 mm Obv: head of the nymph Arethusa left, wearing grain wreath, earring and necklace; around, three dolphins; under, monogram (NK?) Rev: ΣYPAKOΣIΩN, fast chariot charioteer leads to left, holding reins and kentron; above, triskeles; in exergue, monogram Ref: Ierardi 12 (O2-R8); SNG Copenhagen 573 var., SNG ANS 637 [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/ancient-adventures-in-bidland-agathokles-tetradrachm.243930/[/url] [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cointalk.com%2Fproxy.php%3Fimage%3Dhttps%253A%252F%252Fwww.cointalk.com%252Fproxy.php%253Fimage%253Dhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252Fproxy.php%25253Fimage%25253Dhttps%2525253A%2525252F%2525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252Fproxy.php%2525253Fimage%2525253Dhttps%252525253A%252525252F%252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252Fproxy.php%252525253Fimage%252525253Dhttps%25252525253A%25252525252F%25252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252Fproxy.php%25252525253Fimage%25252525253Dhttps%2525252525253A%2525252525252F%2525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252525252Fproxy.php%2525252525253Fimage%2525252525253Dhttps%252525252525253A%252525252525252F%252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252525252Fproxy.php%252525252525253Fimage%252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525253A%25252525252525252F%25252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252525252Fproxy.php%25252525252525253Fimage%25252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%2525252525252525252Fproxy.php%2525252525252525253Fimage%2525252525252525253Dhttps%252525252525252525253A%252525252525252525252F%252525252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%252525252525252525252Fproxy.php%252525252525252525253Fimage%252525252525252525253Dhttps%25252525252525252525253A%25252525252525252525252F%25252525252525252525252Fwww.cointalk.com%25252525252525252525252Fproxy.php%25252525252525252525253Fimage%25252525252525252525253Dhttps%2525252525252525252525253A%2525252525252525252525252F%2525252525252525252525252Fstatic.wixstatic.com%2525252525252525252525252Fmedia%2525252525252525252525252Fae43f8_be19610cf0d0438296b9691d2c71c9cc.jpg%2525252525252525252525252Fv1%2525252525252525252525252Ffit%2525252525252525252525252Fw_1702%2525252525252525252525252Ch_1064%2525252525252525252525252Cq_90%2525252525252525252525252Cusm_0.66_1.00_0.01%2525252525252525252525252Fae43f8_be19610cf0d0438296b9691d2c71c9cc.jpg%252525252525252525252526hash%25252525252525252525253Df8a3a1f91b7b1fdfc37607a9baae58f3%2525252525252525252526hash%252525252525252525253D75165a6384d6fcfb7bc592c9596745a9%25252525252525252526hash%2525252525252525253D38b7d5af62cd46b84bc8fafa14394fcc%252525252525252526hash%25252525252525253D69164ce0a2492a0ea294136a8a93f1b6%2525252525252526hash%252525252525253Dae7142fa58cb3e7ac1f660bb775b0f31%25252525252526hash%2525252525253D200d7b8c25d4829494f49b1dd36a9b8d%252525252526hash%25252525253Df00e4ad265c3dd8beeb49f8d62ecf238%2525252526hash%252525253D8346a65ee8874af7f3a2a95fe2641086%25252526hash%2525253D422ab03cfeadd63c7a46a360b28b0386%252526hash%25253Dfaf7995f9e62a71a5cc4af085cae0f59%2526hash%253Dbcfc73ef4a53edf57bddfff2815655f5%26hash%3D325d9e91fb9518febb99a2fdeebe5f2d&hash=403ab804e0b52021a4ac0bd4f95528aa[/IMG] [B]SICILY, Selinos.[/B] Circa 410 BCE AR litra, 11mm, 0.76 g, 1h Obv: nymph seated left on rock, right hand raised above her head, extending her left hand to touch coiled serpent before her; selinon leaf above Rev: man-faced bull standing right; ΣEΛINONTIOΣ above; in exergue, fish right Ref: Potamikon, p. 116 figure 152 ([I]this coin[/I]); HGC 2, 1229; SNG ANS 711–2 var. (ethnic); SNG Ashmolean 1904–5; SNG Lloyd 1270 var. (same); Basel –; Dewing –; Rizzo pl. XXXIII, 6. Rare. [I]ex MoneyMuseum, Zurich; ex Leu 79 (31 October 2000), lot 404; ex Athos Moretti collection, #482, unpublished manuscript.[/I] [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/selinos-litra-this-tiny-coin-has-it-all.258915/[/url] [IMG]https://static.wixstatic.com/media/ae43f8_ab60fd00616e4a02a0a6a1c59cb8ae34.jpg/v1/fill/w_1000,h_625,al_c,q_90/ae43f8_ab60fd00616e4a02a0a6a1c59cb8ae34.jpg[/IMG] [B]BRUTTIUM, the Brettii[/B] 216-214 BCE Æ quartuncia, 13.5mm, 2.06 g Obv: head of Amphitrite left, wearing crab headdress Rev: crab; torch above, BPET-TIΩN above and below Ref: Pfeiler p. 33, 4a; Scheu, Bronze 51; HN Italy 1944; SNG ANS 123–4; SNG Lloyd –; McClean 1579 [url]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-bronze-of-the-brettii-poseidons-wife.274722/[/url] Perhaps it's easier to use the term "overpaid" for coins that are relatively easy to find in the market place and that in an average state of preservation, where recently sold comparisons are abundant. It becomes much harder to assign the term to coins that are rare or in unusually good states of preservation or of high artistry. I'm very good at forgetting about how much I overpaid for some coins :D.[/QUOTE]
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