Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Notyard, Apr 13, 2021.
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Love the '64 Kennedy halves ! Did you have a question or did I miss something as usual .
Not so much a question more so than an open discussion. From what I have gathered so far a 64 D no mint mark has not surfaced yet and I guess Im looking for additional confirmation on my finding before I decide to send it to be verified.
Only the Denver minted halves used this style of the letter B which can be verified by the slightly curved line that makes up the top part of the lower eyelet. Also the right leg of the R is more slender plus the absence of one of Kennedy's hairs that reaches just under arch.
Do you have a reference for the different B on 1964 Denver coins?
As far as I’m aware, all dies were made in Philadelphia. The Denver Mint did not open a die shop until 1996. A Master hub was used to make Master Dies, which were used to make Working Hubs, which were used to make Working Dies. Mintmarks were then placed on the working dies by hand and shipped to Denver. At what step did they use a different B?
@Notyard welcome to CT. great pictures and your attention to detail. glad you found the. good luck to ya
"The Philadelphia Mint made master hubs for all the coins and medals the U.S. Mint produces. The mint mark is added to the master hub for each facility, which is used to make several generations of dies and hubs."
and then they deliver the dies to the mints each year with their mint marks on them.
If it is a D and missing the D, then it's a grease filled die and wear has removed the evidence of it, or it was intentionally removed and wear hides it.
Yes coins missing their mintmark exist like the "No S" proof coins 1968 (Roosevelt Dime), 1970 (Roosevelt Dime), 1971 (Jefferson Nickel), 1975 (Roosevelt Dime), 1983 (Roosevelt Dime), and 1990 (Lincoln Cent).
However these are an exception, they are proof struck coins, and it's clear they should have the S mintmark and they haven't been circulated.
Good luck with your coin, and proving your hypothesis that it's a D and left the mint without a D on it.
I don't see anything to suggest one is the accented hair, or a doubled die. so no idea how exactly you come to " it's a D missing the D".
I'd like to see your reference source for the B and R on the Obverse and that's the interesting part of this. Be blessed.
I too have two '64 Kennedy's (one no mint mark and one D) that each have a different style of lettering. The D has a flattened wider rim and the lettering and relief are much more sharply defined than the no-mint-mark coin, which just looks like every other business strike-circulation '64 half. It is also different from other business strike '64D halves and is definitely not a proof. So I too am wondering whether it could be an SMS or perhaps one of the test "experimental" strikes that were reportedly prepared in '64 for the '65 mintages. I've read reports that some of them might have ended up in mint sets.
It's quite possible you have the 64/65 the only options to find out are of course 3rd party or side by side comparisons of all business, mint, proof and sms. If you happen to get the chance I would like to see some pictures.
Lol I rarely post anything anywhere and instead of trying to figure out how to edit my original. I took the easy route.
I ran comparisons against my own Philadelphia's and PCGS images and there are more than a few differences between the two especially the sizing of the Numbers and letters. I will post pictures as soon as I can pointing everything out I have seen so far.
A clogged or over greased die crossed my mind as well but even with a fully grease filled die the outline of the lettering will still transfer but I have not been able to find any such markings. Unfortunately as you can see the coin has been through some weathered times and it is highly possible the mintmark outline did exist at one point but has been worn away since.
What I have found is all the lettering and numbering on the D minted coins has a smaller more slender profile than The other coins. I have personally done the comparisons between my own coins as well as images from PCGS and there was a major die switch that occured in 64 when Kennedy's wife requested the image change which created the messy haired, clean cut varieties. I do not know how many dies were made but From what I can remember there were at least 6 different dies made in 64. 1 for the sms 2 each for philly and denver 1 messy haired and 1 clean cut and 1 for the proofs. With that many dies I think there's a good chance that a few transitional errors came about.
Thank you very much.
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