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<p>[QUOTE="Cucumbor, post: 2274702, member: 4298"]Did I ever mention Dombes ?</p><p>Yeah, sure I did, being kind of maniac with them</p><p><br /></p><p>"La Dombes" is a region of France situated between Lyon, Villefranche sur Saone and Bourg en Bresse, which has been ruled by princes under the authority of the kings of France during the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries, with allowance of minting their own currency.</p><p><br /></p><p>Their coins were merely copied from the french royal coins, just changing the names and symbols, so that people (most of them couldn't read at this time) would take them as equal to french coins. They were legal tender in the whole kingdom. My interest in that coinage comes from me living a few kilometers from the border of that region. When I started collecting them, 18 years or so ago, there was no recent reference book about them, the last one had been edited in the 19th century. Since then Mr Jean Paul DIVO, the famous swiss numismatist, has writen a very useful book about Dombes coinage, that gives a much better view of the relative rarity of these coins, some of them being very rare.</p><p><br /></p><p>Below are an illustration of one type of coin (all different, sort of specific to its period) per each and every ruler in this principality. Please note the gold pistole is an unicum (to date)</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TNbjczs4uuI/AAAAAAAAAU4/HYXgmtv_0bA/s1600/D-011-002.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Jean II de Bourbon (1456-1488) <b>Blanc</b>, billon - sans date</p><p>Atelier de Trévoux</p><p>+ IOhES : DVX : BORBONI : TREVORCII : DNS Ecu de Bourbon accosté de trois flammes dans un double trilobe</p><p>+ DISPERSIT (rose) DEDIT (rose) PAVPERIBVS A Croix pattée cantonnée de deux lis et deux flammes, dans un double quadrilobe</p><p>2.91 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 2, PA # 5076, Boudeau # 1044</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TNlrZX_rIFI/AAAAAAAAAV4/ny4Y3xQwfs4/s1600/D-012-022.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Pierre II de Bourbon (1488-1503) <b>Liard</b>, billon - sans date</p><p>Atelier de Trévoux</p><p>+ P[ETRVS] . DVX . BORBO . T Quatre lis avec brisure dans le champ</p><p>+ SIT NOmE . DhI . BNEDIT Croix pattée cantonnée de trèfles</p><p>1.23 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 22, PA # 5091, Boudeau # 1054, Monnaies XXII # 443</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TNl1THz86II/AAAAAAAAAWQ/wIP97i0sflg/s1600/D-021-024-79.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Louis II de Montpensier (1560-1582) <b>Pistole</b>, or - 1579 (inédite) - Atelier de Trévoux</p><p>+ LVDO . P . DOMBARVM . D . MONTISP Ecu de Bourbon couronné</p><p>+ DNS . ADIVTOR . ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1579 Croix feuillue</p><p>6.54 gr - 25-26 mm</p><p>Ref : Date inédite : Divo Dombes -, PA -, Mantellier -, Boudeau -, Sirand -</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQIMTlCxdmI/AAAAAAAAAYI/BM_78j2ReI4/s1600/D-022-068.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Francois II de Montpensier (1582-1592) <b>Douzain</b>, billon - 1587</p><p>Atelier de Trevoux</p><p>+ FRANCIS . P . DOMBAR . D . MONTIS . M Ecu de Bourbon couronné, dans le champ, deux F couronnés</p><p>+ DNS . ADIVT : ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1587 Croix échancrée cantonnée de couronnes</p><p>2.11 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 68, Poey d'Avant # 5136</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQJFfRnVsmI/AAAAAAAAAbY/SJlzfyqYYLs/s1600/D-023-085.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Henri II de Montpensier (1592-1608) <b>Teston </b>du deuxième type, argent- 1604Atelier de Trévoux</p><p>+ HENRIC . P . DOMBAR . D . MONTISP . R Buste cuirassé à droite</p><p>+ DNS . ADIVTOR . ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1604 Ecu de Bourbon couronné, dans le champ deux H couronnés. Point dans le O et sur l'M, point dans l'écu</p><p>9.32 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 85, Boudeau # 1066</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kQ0VPyhs6eU/UA26UPA4pYI/AAAAAAAAAso/s75LpuR__9s/s1600/D-024-157-c.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Marie de Montpensier (1608-1627) <b>Double Tournois</b> type 5, cuivre - 1627</p><p>Atelier de Trévoux</p><p>+ MARIE . SOVVER . DE . DOMBES . Buste à gauche avec large collerette et collier de perles</p><p>+ DOVBLE . TOVRNOIS . 1627 . Trois lis et une brisure</p><p>2.96 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 157, CGKL # 728 (b2), PA # 5165 v</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQO1EPt2YCI/AAAAAAAAAdY/-dTAFFienGM/s1600/D-026-186.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Gaston d'Orleans (1627-1650) <b>Quinzain</b>, billon - 1643</p><p>Atelier de Trévoux</p><p>GAST . FR . VN . REG . VSV . FR . PR . DOMB Ecu couronné, surmonté d'un lis dans un ovale. Dans le champ, deux G</p><p>+ DNS ADIVT ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1643 Croix échancrée avec un lis au centre, cantonnée de quatre lis. Point secret dans le D de DNS</p><p>1.89 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 186, PA # 5190v, Mantellier # 77</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><img src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQI2tCLqu1I/AAAAAAAAAZw/sumCXVnpLww/s1600/D-027-231.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Anne-Marie Louise d'Orleans (1650<font size="4">-1693) <b>Douzième d'écu</b>, argent - 1664</font></p><p><font size="4">Atelier de Trévoux</font></p><p>AN . MA LOV PRINC . SOVV . DE . DOM Buste drapé de 3/4 à droite</p><p>(Rose) DNS + ADIVTOR . A . ET . REDEM . MEVS Ecu d'Orléans couronné. Dans le champ, 16 | 64</p><p>2.22 gr</p><p>Ref : Divo Dombes # 231, Boudeau # 1094</p><p><br /></p><p>Q[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Cucumbor, post: 2274702, member: 4298"]Did I ever mention Dombes ? Yeah, sure I did, being kind of maniac with them "La Dombes" is a region of France situated between Lyon, Villefranche sur Saone and Bourg en Bresse, which has been ruled by princes under the authority of the kings of France during the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries, with allowance of minting their own currency. Their coins were merely copied from the french royal coins, just changing the names and symbols, so that people (most of them couldn't read at this time) would take them as equal to french coins. They were legal tender in the whole kingdom. My interest in that coinage comes from me living a few kilometers from the border of that region. When I started collecting them, 18 years or so ago, there was no recent reference book about them, the last one had been edited in the 19th century. Since then Mr Jean Paul DIVO, the famous swiss numismatist, has writen a very useful book about Dombes coinage, that gives a much better view of the relative rarity of these coins, some of them being very rare. Below are an illustration of one type of coin (all different, sort of specific to its period) per each and every ruler in this principality. Please note the gold pistole is an unicum (to date) [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TNbjczs4uuI/AAAAAAAAAU4/HYXgmtv_0bA/s1600/D-011-002.jpg[/IMG] Jean II de Bourbon (1456-1488) [B]Blanc[/B], billon - sans date Atelier de Trévoux + IOhES : DVX : BORBONI : TREVORCII : DNS Ecu de Bourbon accosté de trois flammes dans un double trilobe + DISPERSIT (rose) DEDIT (rose) PAVPERIBVS A Croix pattée cantonnée de deux lis et deux flammes, dans un double quadrilobe 2.91 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 2, PA # 5076, Boudeau # 1044 [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TNlrZX_rIFI/AAAAAAAAAV4/ny4Y3xQwfs4/s1600/D-012-022.jpg[/IMG] Pierre II de Bourbon (1488-1503) [B]Liard[/B], billon - sans date Atelier de Trévoux + P[ETRVS] . DVX . BORBO . T Quatre lis avec brisure dans le champ + SIT NOmE . DhI . BNEDIT Croix pattée cantonnée de trèfles 1.23 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 22, PA # 5091, Boudeau # 1054, Monnaies XXII # 443 [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TNl1THz86II/AAAAAAAAAWQ/wIP97i0sflg/s1600/D-021-024-79.jpg[/IMG] Louis II de Montpensier (1560-1582) [B]Pistole[/B], or - 1579 (inédite) - Atelier de Trévoux + LVDO . P . DOMBARVM . D . MONTISP Ecu de Bourbon couronné + DNS . ADIVTOR . ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1579 Croix feuillue 6.54 gr - 25-26 mm Ref : Date inédite : Divo Dombes -, PA -, Mantellier -, Boudeau -, Sirand - [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQIMTlCxdmI/AAAAAAAAAYI/BM_78j2ReI4/s1600/D-022-068.jpg[/IMG] Francois II de Montpensier (1582-1592) [B]Douzain[/B], billon - 1587 Atelier de Trevoux + FRANCIS . P . DOMBAR . D . MONTIS . M Ecu de Bourbon couronné, dans le champ, deux F couronnés + DNS . ADIVT : ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1587 Croix échancrée cantonnée de couronnes 2.11 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 68, Poey d'Avant # 5136 [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQJFfRnVsmI/AAAAAAAAAbY/SJlzfyqYYLs/s1600/D-023-085.jpg[/IMG] Henri II de Montpensier (1592-1608) [B]Teston [/B]du deuxième type, argent- 1604Atelier de Trévoux + HENRIC . P . DOMBAR . D . MONTISP . R Buste cuirassé à droite + DNS . ADIVTOR . ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1604 Ecu de Bourbon couronné, dans le champ deux H couronnés. Point dans le O et sur l'M, point dans l'écu 9.32 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 85, Boudeau # 1066 [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-kQ0VPyhs6eU/UA26UPA4pYI/AAAAAAAAAso/s75LpuR__9s/s1600/D-024-157-c.jpg[/IMG] Marie de Montpensier (1608-1627) [B]Double Tournois[/B] type 5, cuivre - 1627 Atelier de Trévoux + MARIE . SOVVER . DE . DOMBES . Buste à gauche avec large collerette et collier de perles + DOVBLE . TOVRNOIS . 1627 . Trois lis et une brisure 2.96 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 157, CGKL # 728 (b2), PA # 5165 v [IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQO1EPt2YCI/AAAAAAAAAdY/-dTAFFienGM/s1600/D-026-186.jpg[/IMG] Gaston d'Orleans (1627-1650) [B]Quinzain[/B], billon - 1643 Atelier de Trévoux GAST . FR . VN . REG . VSV . FR . PR . DOMB Ecu couronné, surmonté d'un lis dans un ovale. Dans le champ, deux G + DNS ADIVT ET . REDEM . MEVS . 1643 Croix échancrée avec un lis au centre, cantonnée de quatre lis. Point secret dans le D de DNS 1.89 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 186, PA # 5190v, Mantellier # 77 [IMG]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_HKG3SbYuU2M/TQI2tCLqu1I/AAAAAAAAAZw/sumCXVnpLww/s1600/D-027-231.jpg[/IMG] Anne-Marie Louise d'Orleans (1650[SIZE=4]-1693) [B]Douzième d'écu[/B], argent - 1664 Atelier de Trévoux[/SIZE] AN . MA LOV PRINC . SOVV . DE . DOM Buste drapé de 3/4 à droite (Rose) DNS + ADIVTOR . A . ET . REDEM . MEVS Ecu d'Orléans couronné. Dans le champ, 16 | 64 2.22 gr Ref : Divo Dombes # 231, Boudeau # 1094 Q[/QUOTE]
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