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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lolli, post: 3740514, member: 96900&quot;]&quot;and when comparing to fakes its difficult to properly compare the coin with the fakes.&quot;</p><p><br /></p><p>To avoid fakes it is important to buy from reliable sellers and the usage of forgerynetwork.net is imho at least so important because there are fakes on vcoins and at autions too and not all of them will be withdrawn.</p><p>You can find almost all important imho all important fakes that you can find in fake reports in forvm at forgerynetork too and on forgerynetwork are many fakes added by Amentia (Din x) that are missing in fake reports and Amentia (Din x) was looking at the end only for high quality fakes sold by aution houses (almost all of them seem to have been withdrawn adn the others are imho of course fake too) and you will find most of them only on forgerynetwork. And that there is no verification on forgerynetwork is not true, the uploaded coins will be only published after verification by admin. But there is and was never a verification of fakes uploaded to fake report in FORVM as far as I know !!!!! You can of course add a comment to fake reports that the coin is authentic etc but you can do the same at forgerynetwork . You can contact Joe or admin of forgerynetwork to remove a coin if it would be authentic and you have evidence for it so what is the difference ?</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>How do I know if coins are from the same dies?</p><p>One way is looking for identical die flaws.</p><p>But here is a problem that die flaws will appear with usage the more dies are used the higher the chance that die flaws will appear and then they will become stronger with usage.</p><p>So on coins struck from the same dies it is possible that some will have die flaws and some not, the coins struck from fresh dies will most likely not have die flaws or not so strong die flaws and the ones struck from the same die but very late die state will have most likely die flaws.</p><p>So identical die flaw means that the coins must have been struck from same dies!</p><p>That two coins do not have identical die flaws (one has other one has not) needn´t mean that they are from different dies, they could be from same die or different dies.</p><p><br /></p><p>If die flaws will not help use we will look for other details to decide if they are die matches or not.</p><p><br /></p><p>You can look for the letter size and shape and position and for other details and their seize + shape and position. There will be always some differences from striking and wear can make look coins different too so we have to consider this always too.</p><p><br /></p><p>If we have found a die match at forgerynetwork the most important thing we do is to get to know why the coins has been condemned.</p><p><br /></p><p>So either :</p><p>1. modern hand cutted die fake</p><p>2. transfer die fake</p><p>3. electrotype</p><p>4. cast fake</p><p><br /></p><p>If this information is not given we will have to help ourself.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Cast + Electrotype</p><p>The ways to recognize 3+4 is about the same, we will compare the flan shape of our coin with the coins from same dies at forgerynetwork and if the flan shape is identical or very similar there is high change that it must be a cast or electrotype then we will look for further details for verification, like individual characteristics from striking (for example centering) and individual characteristics from circulation (for example wear or scratches) and from environement ( for example corrosion). In most cases the flansape centering and wear will be identical on cast and electrotype twins if no details or the flan shape have been modified in impression/mould.</p><p><br /></p><p>If the condemned coin/s is/are cast fakes from the same die but with different flan sape and different&nbsp; indvidual characteristics from striking (for example centering) and individual characteristics from circulation (for example wear or scratches) and from environement ( for example corrosion), then this condemned cast or electrotype fakes&nbsp; will not be related to our coin,&nbsp;&nbsp; and so they do not have any influence on the authenticity of our coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>But we do of course know the problems of cast and electrotype fakes and so we know how to recognize them even without casting twins. To lazy to write all problems they but to look at the edge is very helpful for casting sprue or casting seam or if they have been removed then for file marks. Weight and size can be helpful too due to metal shrinkage when cooling down in mould. etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Transfer die</p><p>2. AS from 3+4 we will look for individual characteristics from striking (for example centering) and individual characteristics from circulation (for example wear or scratches) and from environement ( for example corrosion).</p><p>Of course details can be recutted and we can look for ghost lines that will show use where the planchet of the mother has ended, most ancient coins are not perfectly centered and so some details will be missing on the mother (part of dotted border, letters or parts of letters). Some details are sometimes recutted like the dotted border we will consider this.</p><p><br /></p><p>Modern hand cutted dies</p><p>1. We will look for die links or die matchtes to proven authentic coins and if proven authentic coins from the same artist do exist.</p><p>Yes or no ?</p><p>Since when are coins form this dies are know?</p><p>Are coins from this dies are sold by fake sellers?</p><p>Is the style ok or modern?</p><p>Is the fabric struck or pressed?</p><p>We should have knowledge about this emission and if this emission has very specific characteristics, like must be struck from die axis of 12 o´ clock etc.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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