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<p>[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 3322129, member: 31620"][USER=88829]@lrbguy[/USER] </p><p><br /></p><p>Let me attempt an explanation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Over time when looking at the coins of Philip I and Philip II you can see that several coins stand out as being "different". This "different" is put down to the style of the engraving. Putting these stylistic differences into words in a way that is easy to convey to someone is remarkably difficult. I have had to train myself (through study, making mistakes, asking questions) in differentiating style in my studies of the eastern coins of Septimius Severus and also in differentiating the different issues from Lugdunum under Probus and other focus areas.</p><p><br /></p><p>Jyrki Muona (University of Helsinki) does a remarkably good job of breaking down the characteristics that distinguish the output of Antioch from that of Rome (and other mints) for Philip here:-</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://snynumis.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/artikkeli-Philip_Arab.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://snynumis.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/artikkeli-Philip_Arab.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://snynumis.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/artikkeli-Philip_Arab.pdf</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Now if you group these coins together and assume that they are produced away from Rome then the search for a candidate mint starts. In this case we have a candidate that presents itself in that Antioch is producing Tetradrachms and that the style of these is close to that of these Ants. The Tetradrahms can be conveniently tied to Antioch due to the use of ANTIOXIA on some issues. Can me make the leap to stating that these Ants. are also from Antioch? It is a leap but that's the leap that has historically been made here.</p><p><br /></p><p>Were the Ants. and the Tets. produced side by side? Perhaps in different officina at the same mint. Were engravers that were trained at the mint used to engrave these Ants. elsewhere? Possibly. Do we know for sure? No but it's the best guess that we have today.</p><p><br /></p><p>How do we link these different syled coins from Philip to Philip II through to Otacilia Severa? This is through die studies and die linkage.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is some of the die linking that I have found for this coin as an example.</p><p><br /></p><p>Philip I</p><p>[ATTACH=full]880613[/ATTACH] </p><p>Philip II</p><p>[ATTACH=full]880614[/ATTACH] </p><p>[ATTACH=full]880615[/ATTACH] </p><p>Otacilia Severa</p><p>[ATTACH=full]880616[/ATTACH] </p><p>which is in turn double die linked to my example above.</p><p><br /></p><p>This leads us to conclude that these coins were produced outside Rome, the location is likely to be Antioch and that the mint produced coins for Philip I, Philip II and Otacilia Severa.</p><p><br /></p><p>I think that my training for spotting stylistic differences at other mints helps me spot things that are "different" which triggers me to start digging. Quite often I am proven wrong and a coin can be within the accepted range for a known mint e.g. Rome and is down to the skill or lack of from an engraver. Sometimes, like this one I am proven right to look further.</p><p><br /></p><p>Does this help at all?[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="maridvnvm, post: 3322129, member: 31620"][USER=88829]@lrbguy[/USER] Let me attempt an explanation. Over time when looking at the coins of Philip I and Philip II you can see that several coins stand out as being "different". This "different" is put down to the style of the engraving. Putting these stylistic differences into words in a way that is easy to convey to someone is remarkably difficult. I have had to train myself (through study, making mistakes, asking questions) in differentiating style in my studies of the eastern coins of Septimius Severus and also in differentiating the different issues from Lugdunum under Probus and other focus areas. Jyrki Muona (University of Helsinki) does a remarkably good job of breaking down the characteristics that distinguish the output of Antioch from that of Rome (and other mints) for Philip here:- [url]https://snynumis.fi/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/artikkeli-Philip_Arab.pdf[/url] Now if you group these coins together and assume that they are produced away from Rome then the search for a candidate mint starts. In this case we have a candidate that presents itself in that Antioch is producing Tetradrachms and that the style of these is close to that of these Ants. The Tetradrahms can be conveniently tied to Antioch due to the use of ANTIOXIA on some issues. Can me make the leap to stating that these Ants. are also from Antioch? It is a leap but that's the leap that has historically been made here. Were the Ants. and the Tets. produced side by side? Perhaps in different officina at the same mint. Were engravers that were trained at the mint used to engrave these Ants. elsewhere? Possibly. Do we know for sure? No but it's the best guess that we have today. How do we link these different syled coins from Philip to Philip II through to Otacilia Severa? This is through die studies and die linkage. Here is some of the die linking that I have found for this coin as an example. Philip I [ATTACH=full]880613[/ATTACH] Philip II [ATTACH=full]880614[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]880615[/ATTACH] Otacilia Severa [ATTACH=full]880616[/ATTACH] which is in turn double die linked to my example above. This leads us to conclude that these coins were produced outside Rome, the location is likely to be Antioch and that the mint produced coins for Philip I, Philip II and Otacilia Severa. I think that my training for spotting stylistic differences at other mints helps me spot things that are "different" which triggers me to start digging. Quite often I am proven wrong and a coin can be within the accepted range for a known mint e.g. Rome and is down to the skill or lack of from an engraver. Sometimes, like this one I am proven right to look further. Does this help at all?[/QUOTE]
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