Opinions Please!

Discussion in 'What's it Worth' started by rlm's cents, Dec 31, 2008.

Page 2 of 2
  1. Arizona Jack

    Arizona Jack The Lincoln-ator

    I also have a 1924-D, ICG MS-63 RB that should upgrade when crossed. Not here yet, tho I did see the coin in hand before buying it.
     
    Arizona Jack, Jan 1, 2009
    #21 + Quote Reply
  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Really, Doug, I cannot see anything there with my eye. With the loupe, the lines to the left appear to be die polish lines - just a guess because they are so faint that I can hardly make them out with a loupe. The horse shoe shape is not there.
     
    rlm's cents, Jan 1, 2009
    #22 + Quote Reply
  4. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Do these pics look any better,Doug. The reverse is a pretty good representative of the true color, but I cannot get it on the obverse for some reason.
     

    Attached Files:

    rlm's cents, Jan 1, 2009
    #23 + Quote Reply
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Dick I think everyone here knows that pics can be very deceiving. You can take 2 different pics of the same coin, one will show something and one will not - and that is without any effort on the part of the person taking the pics. In other words, it is not intended.

    I can only tell you what I see based on the pics. Yes, in some of your pics of this coin the marks I see in others completely disappear. And that is expected. It's just like holding a coin in hand and turning it under a good light - only at certain angles can you see certain things. But just because you can't see those things at certain angles, that doesn't mean they are not there. Not doubting your word on this particular coin - just pointing something out.

    And yes, ICG has made their share of mistakes just like all other TPG's. It is not at all uncommon for coins like this one of yours to be upgraded by NGC or PCGS. By the same token the coins graded by ICG are often downgraded by them. But as a general rule the older coins graded by ICG (those from the time frame of this slab) pretty much follow how I would grade them myself. Of course during that same time frame NGC and PCGS graded much like I would. Not necessarily the case now.

    As for consistency, it was always my opinion that ICG was as good as NGC and better than PCGS - again during this time frame and only with non-modern coins.

    All of that said, without seeing the coin in hand, I would not change my opinion.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 2, 2009
    #24 + Quote Reply
  6. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    I know what you are talking about. I have more than once thought I had a nice coin, taken a pic of it, and found all kinds of stuff I had missed. The biggest complication to this coin is that the slab looks like it has been hit with a shotgun - there are random spots all over it. Also, my lighting seems to bring the flaws out. Those lines you see above the date, it took me a loupe (at the right angle) and a very bright LED light (at the right angle) to finally find them. Even then, they are so faint I can tell nothing about them except a couple seem to end at the date and/or the chin.

    BTW, I finally found the "U". I was looking too closely for marks and it is not. It is in the toning - again at the right angle and the right lighting.
     
    rlm's cents, Jan 2, 2009
    #25 + Quote Reply
  7. rlm's cents

    rlm's cents Numismatist

    Here you go Doug. How does this pic look? This is the most realistic I have taken yet.
     

    Attached Files:

    rlm's cents, Jan 3, 2009
    #26 + Quote Reply
  8. Harryj

    Harryj Supporter**

    Huge difference! That should go 64 easily if the reverse is the same. On a final note besides the magnification I think I heard that grading services also look at the "overall non-magnification eye appeal of the coin". That coin has a nice looking eye appeal to me.
     
    Harryj, Jan 3, 2009
    #27 + Quote Reply
  9. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Beyond what I have already said there really isn't anything else I can say.
     
    GDJMSP, Jan 3, 2009
    #28 + Quote Reply
Page 2 of 2
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page