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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Owle, post: 1884541, member: 22004&quot;]David Alexander from Heritage Auctions gave a talk at our coin club a few months back.&nbsp; I showed him a $20 gold coin that NGC had called Unc. details improperly cleaned though if so it was minor; he did not see the reason for the no grade and it was minor if anything.&nbsp; And I have had coins that no graded only to later both get high grades and get CAC approved.&nbsp; Details holder coins do absolutely nothing for the submitter with the exception of rare coins.&nbsp; There are obviously cleaned and overly &quot;brushy&quot; coins and those that are on the edge and those where there is no reason for them to stigmatize a coin with the details holder.&nbsp; Probably the lawsuits that PCGS encountered after 2008 are a reason for their borderline paranoia in not putting many coins they used to in numerical holders.&nbsp; As Voltaire said, the perfect is the enemy of the good.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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