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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;dougsmit, post: 2357653, member: 19463&quot;]My understanding of an &#039;untouched&#039; bronze is one with zero smoothing or tooling.&nbsp; It can be cleaned in the washed sense of the word but not picked at to remove adhesions.</p><p><br /></p><p>Certainly a bronze can be renovated but while paintings benefit from it, coins are considered defective because something was done.&nbsp; Some things are worse than others.&nbsp; All of the listed bad things should be disclosed by the seller but more people will accept smoothing than the others. </p><p><br /></p><p>Consistent grading will require people to agree on which faults are major and which are more situations than faults.&nbsp; My Impossible to Grade page tried to make this point.&nbsp; I believe the answer is No, there is no way that will work for every coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Dealers who do not disclose the dirty little secrets are nothing more than shysters on a street corner.&nbsp; Buying from an ignorant unknown on eBay is better than a professional dealer who knows and does not disclose.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>Many bronzes are uncirculated; some are better than they were when struck because of the lovely patinas they developed over time. </p><p><br /></p><p>Just opinions but my opinions![/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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