Opinion on this 1798 Large Cent?

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  1. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'd certainly try to find out.
     
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  3. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Oh! Jack D. Young is certainly someone to ask as well.
     
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  4. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

  5. Eduard

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    I am seeing at least an EAC AU50 coin, and a rather beautiful example at that.
    Interestingly, the coin pictured in the link which Marshall posted has a very similar
    off-center strike, and that one is graded EAC 50.

    However, EAC grading being what it is, one really needs to have a good look at the surfaces before a final determination. The pictures are much too dark for that.
    This one is certainly worth a very close evaluation.
    Congratulation if it is yours!
     
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  6. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    S-157.jpg Cool coin! I added a comparitive image to show the "die rust".

    EAC '18 in Michigan should be another great gathering of copper nuts including myself; I will be displaying a group of highly deceptive struck counterfeits from my "Dark Side Collection" there as well.
     
  7. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The fact the images are dark gives me some problems, but I think the grading services would probably straight grade it at at least an AU 55. I also think sharpness grade of AU 55 is reasonable with probably an EAC grade of 45 or 50. If so that would definitely put it in the condition census. It takes a 40 to get into the top 10, and a 25 to get in the top 15.
     
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  8. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Current census shows (1)62, (1)60, (1)55, (3)50, (1)45.
     
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  9. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    For EAC? Because we know there's a PCGS AU58..
     
  10. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    That is probably one of the AU50s. That's why I went with MS market grade and EAC AU. I can't imagine it falling below the top 6. But they need to see the coin and luster and eye appeal.

    No probably. the PCGS AU58 is one of the three EAC AU50s and agreed upon by both Bland and Noyes according to the Heritage Archives comments.
     
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  11. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    Bland and Noyes rarely agree (in most folks' opinions and the 2 censuses), although the majority of EAC'ers seem to back Noyes along with Robinson's Copper Quotes. Noyes' CC publications were ahead of Heritage's "comments" although now Mark does an outstanding job of describing and "EAC grading" early copper, but it is his experienced opinion and rarely do all 3 grading scales for a particular piece align!

    The census grades I quoted are according to Noyes as summed up by Robinson and IN NO WAY REPRESENT TPG GRADES, which try and throw "market values" into the grading scale.

    Regardless, you have a significant example but don't be surprised if Noyes calls it a 40 or...
     
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  12. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    How exactly do I get Noyes and/or Del Bland to look at the coin, photograph it, and grade it and add it to the census? Large cents and EAC grading is a new world to me.
     
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  13. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    I can send your images to one of the folks who works with Noyes and see what he thinks if you would like.
     
  14. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    If you can wait about a week, I'll take new, better pics. The ones above are not mine. But yeah, that would be fantastic.
     
  15. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    No problem; just shoot me the images when you have them and I will forward them to my Noyes contact and we'll see what they think.
     
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  16. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I think I see two marks which can be used to identify this particular coin (not from dies). One is a curved mark in the field just right of the nose down to the field right of the chin. The other is at the jaw line.

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  17. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The census only uses EAC grades.

    The market the jawline is good, I'm not sure if the mark in the field is truly a mark or possibly just a stray hair. There are a few other little tic marks that could also be used.
     
  18. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    Would you mind telling us if this is already entombed or raw? It might help to know if Plastic Scratches are an issue finding ID markers. I'm also wondering about whether my first marker is a stray hair as Conder suggests it might be. It does look a lot like an eyelash hair.
     
  19. Jack D. Young

    Jack D. Young Well-Known Member

    S-157-mark.jpg The market the jawline is good, I'm not sure if the mark in the field is truly a mark or possibly just a stray hair. There are a few other little tic marks that could also be used.[/QUOTE]

    The "stray hair" mark looks like it has depth into the surface to my eyes.
     
  20. C-B-D

    C-B-D Well-Known Member

    It's raw
     
  21. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The "stray hair" mark looks like it has depth into the surface to my eyes.[/QUOTE]
    If so, could a strike-through of an eye-lash hair on the die cause this?
     
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