Log in or Sign up
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Opened: a 40 year old 'slab'
>
Reply to Thread
Message:
<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2688418, member: 19463"]I ran across a coin on eBay that I really wanted but it came in packaging that was probably worth as much as the coin to most people in the hobby. However, I could not see it well let alone photograph it so I had to set it free. In this case, that meant removing a rusty staple that both attached and closed the half flip that had contained the coin since 10 Dec 1976. The text on the certificate identified the coin and explained it quite accurately. It was signed by the expert then charging 40 pence for his services (this one had no photo so it did not cost a whole pound for the upgrade service). A previous owner had blacked out the estimated value of the coin; I blacked the owners name on this photo.</p><p>Why was I a bit sad to open up a stapled proto-slab signed by some expert? Read below.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]602562[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The expert was David R. Sear. You may have heard of him.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]602561[/ATTACH]</p><p>The coin is exactly as described (no surprise - Mr. Sear is known for knowing these things). I'm not David Sear so it took me a few minutes to confirm what he had said and expand the ID just a bit. The coin is a 21.5mm bronze of Magnentius weighing 2.63g (my scales, Mr. Sear did not weigh it). As stated, it was the two Victories with shield type and the Cohen 68 reference given is correct. LRBC 58 may be but my edition of <b>Late Roman Bronze Coins</b> is a 1978 so he was using an older copy. We will forgive the lack of an RIC number since it was still five years in the future when this certificate was issued.</p><p><br /></p><p>It was "overstruck on a reduced follis of Constantine II Caesar" but 40d did not get you 'which' follis. My photo shows the coin right side up for the Magnentius strike above a second pair right side up for the Constantine II strike. The top photo shows Magnentius' nose is messed up. The one below shows that the reason was the undertype of a diagonal staff running under a T in the field. To the left is a clear strike of .PRINCIPI making the undertype RIC 144 page 175 or something similar. The one below is from acsearch making it much more clear than words alone could do.</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2544913" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2544913" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2544913</a></p><p><img src="https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/93/2481/2544913.m.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>The type was also issued for Crispus but any hopes of catching Mr. Sear in a forty year old error were dashed by a weak trace LCON (large inset and yellow arrow) from he name FLCLCONSTANTINVS. Crispus would have had LCRI here. If you can recognize the back of Constantine's head under the Magnentius reverse, more power to you.</p><p><br /></p><p>I mentioned forgiving Mr. Sear's not giving an RIC number but I can not cut myself similar slack. I'd like to say that the coin is RIC 310 page 162. RIC allows this coin a weight of 2.00g which is as close to my 2.63g as allowed on a coin with A behind the bust as seen here. RIC 316A has no A but is given 2.60g. 316A also lacks the shoert column supporting the shield but this area of the coin is flat making this a judgement call. We also suffer from the lack of the CAE or CAES at the end of the reverse legend which will separate a few of the minor variations listed in RIC. Such things are easier to see on mint state coins not struck on older coins. </p><p><br /></p><p>Current Sear Certificates are no longer 40p so I am spared the desire to send in the coin an see if he matches the quality of this 1976 paper. Even though I cracked out the coin, I will be saving this paper. I suspect I reduced the value of the item when I pried out that staple but I'm one of those guys that like to lay hands on my coins without intervening plastic.</p><p><br /></p><p>I know a couple of you have similar old Sear certificates. Post 'em.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2688418, member: 19463"]I ran across a coin on eBay that I really wanted but it came in packaging that was probably worth as much as the coin to most people in the hobby. However, I could not see it well let alone photograph it so I had to set it free. In this case, that meant removing a rusty staple that both attached and closed the half flip that had contained the coin since 10 Dec 1976. The text on the certificate identified the coin and explained it quite accurately. It was signed by the expert then charging 40 pence for his services (this one had no photo so it did not cost a whole pound for the upgrade service). A previous owner had blacked out the estimated value of the coin; I blacked the owners name on this photo. Why was I a bit sad to open up a stapled proto-slab signed by some expert? Read below. [ATTACH=full]602562[/ATTACH] The expert was David R. Sear. You may have heard of him. [ATTACH=full]602561[/ATTACH] The coin is exactly as described (no surprise - Mr. Sear is known for knowing these things). I'm not David Sear so it took me a few minutes to confirm what he had said and expand the ID just a bit. The coin is a 21.5mm bronze of Magnentius weighing 2.63g (my scales, Mr. Sear did not weigh it). As stated, it was the two Victories with shield type and the Cohen 68 reference given is correct. LRBC 58 may be but my edition of [B]Late Roman Bronze Coins[/B] is a 1978 so he was using an older copy. We will forgive the lack of an RIC number since it was still five years in the future when this certificate was issued. It was "overstruck on a reduced follis of Constantine II Caesar" but 40d did not get you 'which' follis. My photo shows the coin right side up for the Magnentius strike above a second pair right side up for the Constantine II strike. The top photo shows Magnentius' nose is messed up. The one below shows that the reason was the undertype of a diagonal staff running under a T in the field. To the left is a clear strike of .PRINCIPI making the undertype RIC 144 page 175 or something similar. The one below is from acsearch making it much more clear than words alone could do. [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2544913[/url] [IMG]https://www.acsearch.info/media/images/archive/93/2481/2544913.m.jpg[/IMG] The type was also issued for Crispus but any hopes of catching Mr. Sear in a forty year old error were dashed by a weak trace LCON (large inset and yellow arrow) from he name FLCLCONSTANTINVS. Crispus would have had LCRI here. If you can recognize the back of Constantine's head under the Magnentius reverse, more power to you. I mentioned forgiving Mr. Sear's not giving an RIC number but I can not cut myself similar slack. I'd like to say that the coin is RIC 310 page 162. RIC allows this coin a weight of 2.00g which is as close to my 2.63g as allowed on a coin with A behind the bust as seen here. RIC 316A has no A but is given 2.60g. 316A also lacks the shoert column supporting the shield but this area of the coin is flat making this a judgement call. We also suffer from the lack of the CAE or CAES at the end of the reverse legend which will separate a few of the minor variations listed in RIC. Such things are easier to see on mint state coins not struck on older coins. Current Sear Certificates are no longer 40p so I am spared the desire to send in the coin an see if he matches the quality of this 1976 paper. Even though I cracked out the coin, I will be saving this paper. I suspect I reduced the value of the item when I pried out that staple but I'm one of those guys that like to lay hands on my coins without intervening plastic. I know a couple of you have similar old Sear certificates. Post 'em.[/QUOTE]
Your name or email address:
Do you already have an account?
No, create an account now.
Yes, my password is:
Forgot your password?
Stay logged in
Coin Talk
Home
Forums
>
Coin Forums
>
Ancient Coins
>
Opened: a 40 year old 'slab'
>
Home
Home
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Activity
Recent Posts
Forums
Forums
Quick Links
Search Forums
Recent Posts
Competitions
Competitions
Quick Links
Competition Index
Rules, Terms & Conditions
Gallery
Gallery
Quick Links
Search Media
New Media
Showcase
Showcase
Quick Links
Search Items
Most Active Members
New Items
Directory
Directory
Quick Links
Directory Home
New Listings
Members
Members
Quick Links
Notable Members
Current Visitors
Recent Activity
New Profile Posts
Sponsors
Menu
Search
Search titles only
Posted by Member:
Separate names with a comma.
Newer Than:
Search this thread only
Search this forum only
Display results as threads
Useful Searches
Recent Posts
More...