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Message:: [QUOTE="imrich, post: 2106811, member: 22331"]I've tried what you propose, but generally found that dealers still want to receive their gross price listed on eBay. They may counter with a small discount, but the majority will not discount their prices. I make offers, virtually daily, and I'd guess that less than 10% want to deal directly with the general public. My offers are normally a specific fair market value cash price, usually within 5% of their listing price. A recent instance, last Sunday a "better date" MS65 PCGS St. Gaudens was listed on eBay at a "fair market" price, due to end within 1 hour, without a bid, with a "Make Offer" condition. I made a 95% offer, automatically rejected. I don't normally insult/irritate dealers with a secondary offer, but "Make Offer" condition suggested some possible discount. 97% offer was accepted. The dealer is well B&M established. Many missed a great opportunity because his images weren't properly focused. Dealers generally appreciate the anonymity, benefits, and the vast public platform provided by eBay. Most dont want to jeopardize their business with eBay, to "deal" with the indecisive "tire-kicking" public, possibly realizing an outcome similar to Hannes Tulving. JMHO[/QUOTE]