One thing keeping me from getting coins graded...

Fair enough. So you better just be real sure its market acceptable before pulling the trigger. The one I posted looks safe to me though. I'll just buy a graded one. One that was resubmitted three times til it got straight graded lol

 

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mrjason71, posted: "Nephews lol..."

Yep, Huey, Dewey, and Louie. The ask a lot of questions usually beginning with "Why."

Merry Christmas!

 

Is your nephew with my lawyer's firm - Dewey, Cheatham and Howe?

 

But the definition of questionable may be different to every grader right? Questionable means unsure so that means that one grader finds something questionable while other graders don't? Even if it is graded by multiple graders, it is all a matter of opinion.

 

Merry Christmas

 

Mike Drop, posted: "But the definition of questionable may be different to every grader right? Questionable means unsure so that means that one grader finds something questionable while other graders don't? Even if it is graded by multiple graders, it is all a matter of opinion."

N O !

Let's try this again. The folks who grade and authenticate at the professional level operate so far above the level of me and most of the rest of us here that their "opinions" are not really opinions.

Let me try it this way. Of all the men who have played football, baseball, basketball, hockey, and ride horses, only a very small percent "make the show." Out of that .05% only .0002% are at the top.

Unless it is modern stuff, when your coin gets to a TPGS, at least one or two of those .0002% guys gets to examine it. I'll guarantee there are VERY FEW questionable calls. Now the best quarterback throws an interception so we can find ACTUAL MISTAKES in all TPGS slabs. Unlike the quarterback, the TPGS can change their mind and correct any mistakes. The doctor looks at the patient and renders an opinion. There are other doctors.

That said, 99% of the time "Questionable" is just a nice word from a group of experienced, knowledgeable folks for: "Your coin SUCKS" and is not "market acceptable."

 

But that would be “negative”, so modern culture, and apparently at least one moderator, requires us to have mealy-mouthed words.

Can’t be messing with anyone’s self-esteem.

 

Thanks, I see how that came across. My post is directed to all in the thread - not the member I quoted. Change made.

 

Then why are they straight graded upon resubmission? asks your newest nephew...

 

Way more often than not, they aren't. People tell stories of the less common outcomes, not the typical ones. See? You didn't know numismatics would lead to psychology, did you? I tells ya, coins is a gateway drug!

 

And another thing...I've read quite a bit from you about how the graders are fooled all the time by doctors...dipping copper, etc. Please explain your high regard for the graders in this thread compared to how they have the wool pulled over their eyes on a daily basis in other past threads. You're messing my head up...based on all I've read from you I would have thought for sure you'd have come out on the "yeah it's all a crapshoot" side of this...Happy New Year!

 

mrjason71, posted: "Then why are they straight graded upon resubmission? asks your newest nephew..."

Answered by Mr. Bellman

mrjason71, posted: "And another thing...I've read quite a bit from you about how the graders are fooled all the time by doctors...dipping copper, etc. We all are and so are they. Thankfully, there are millions of eyes checking every slab in existence. Additionally, the fakers are greedy. Once they get a "new" toning color or pattern past the graders (as the blocky brown/blue commemoratives in the 1980's) the flood gates open and ONLY THEN is the alteration detected. I believe there is a crackdown going on now with rainbow SE's. Please explain your high regard for the graders in this thread compared to how they have the wool pulled over their eyes on a daily basis in other past threads. Daily basis? Don't recall ever saying that but it is inferred. See "blocky toning." You're messing my head up...based on all I've read from you (I am a realist) I would have thought for sure you'd have come out on the "yeah it's all a crapshoot" side of this...Happy New Year!" Ditto. No, IMO, the TPGS employees are AMONG the best we have as some members here have demonstrated that they could do the job too.

 

I must've misconstrued the many posts of yours I've read. You've talked about people getting "altered red" coins by TPGs...I took that as the graders a) aren't that great and b) no one really can tell AT from NT. I'll have to re-read. I guess maybe you are just saying the doctors are that great. But I don't know how doctors can get stuff by AND the graders always know if color is questionable and are just being nice...Yeah...I don't know how to have those co-exist in my head.

 

This post is directed to one member - YYYYYAAAHHHH. You win.

This is not difficult to understand. The major TPGS's are very good at what they do. SOME counterfeiters and coin doctors are very good at what they do. That's what makes it fun.

Now, perhaps someone else will explain the difference between "market acceptable," "honest mistake," and "questionable something."

BTW, I'm an equal-opportunity, wanna be "know-it-all," curmudgeon . When a TPGS fouls up IMO...they'll get both barrels of poo right between the eyes! When they decide an alteration is "market acceptable" my poo shot does not matter.

 

There is no difference on a slab between "Questionable" and "Artificially Toned". They get the same code or definition unfortunately.

 

Opinions of others opinions, are only opinions.

 

Johndoe2000$, posted: "Opinions of others opinions, are only opinions."

That's the answer to the OP's question. Well said, that's exactly what I tried to explain. Some opinions are better and matter more that the opinions of others.

 

And if that state of affairs bothers you, you need to choose another hobby. Everything that happens in this hobby is created by the incentives in place. Which incentives in this case? The obscene and stupid increases in value due to a single point difference in grade by a matter of learned but fallible opinion. The same one at work in courts of law, incidentally. Once you’ve decided to play in a world that fundamentally stupid, you’ve lost the right to gripe. Your ONLY defense is to learn to grade all by yourself and have the courage of your convictions.

 

I’ve noticed, and I agree.