ONE PART FAT AND ONE PART FLAT

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by SmokinJoe, Apr 29, 2016.

  1. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Hi everyone, this is a 1973 penny that is very thick most of the way around

    but has one part that is much thinner than the rest of the penny. I have seen

    this before searching through pennies, and very curious as to why this is

    happening...Does anyone know?
    Thanks ahead of time!
     

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  3. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Lots of coins are like this BUT not as much as yours. Get a micrometer and start measuring your pocket change. Obviously, the larger the difference in thickness the neater the coin.
     
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  4. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks Insider, gonna go Amazon a micrometer right now!
     
  5. TJ1952

    TJ1952 Well-Known Member

    Great picture!
     
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  6. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Tapered planchet error?
     
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  7. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    There is a "freight co." catalogue I get in the mail (can't remember the name) but good digital micrometers are dirt cheap these days. I paid way less than $15 for mine and got a free LED flashlight with it. ;)

    Mine says General Ultra Tech No 1433.
     
  8. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Never thought of these as mint errors. Put this in FILE #13 until a specialist posts the correct answer: Possibly has to do with die alignment slightly out of the "horizontal." IMO, it has nothing to do with the planchet being out of tolerance. Otherwise, you are dealing with a "fin" of metal squeezed into the collar area.
     
  9. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Thanks Insider, I will go search for that one right now...Got a few digital ones on Amazon that are around that price range too....Humm...Decisions.. decisions...
     
  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I'll bet Amazon is faster with a good guarantee.
     
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  11. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Just got one on Amazon....$13 ...Be here Sunday...!!... :)
     

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  12. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Harbor Freight I believe you are alluding too. I have gotten a lot of decent items from them. They are more suited for the average homeowner but their prices cannot be beat. And they are expanding with stores all over the country, not just online. One just opened in Pittsfield, Ma. recently which was good for me.
     
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  13. Smojo

    Smojo dreamliner

    I agree with the Harbor Freight suggestion. As long as you stay away from their air tools. Micrometer's are decent can get a digital for around $10.00
     
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  14. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    Their brand names-Central Pneumatic, Central Hydraulics, Central Tools are all made in China, good enough for around the home but not for the "heavy lifting". Their punch sets do not hold up too well but my log splitter has been going steady for 10 years with only hose replacements. Of course it does have a Subaru Robin engine which has done me no wrong.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    From what I have read, sometimes the edge or end of the strip can have a "thin spot". So when a planchet is cut from there it has the corresponding thin spot. Depending on how big (meaning how long it is as measured around the edge) that thin spot is, or is not, the thin spot may be, or not be, "filled in" by metal flow when the planchet is struck. But if there is not sufficient metal to "fill in" the thin spot between the collar and dies by metal flow, the resulting coin can end up with a small thin spot with tapering ends like that exhibited on your coin.

    Could something like this also be caused by something like misaligned dies ? Yeah, I suppose so. But give the nature of the dies and the fact that they are machined to such tight tolerances, one would expect a thinner edge on a coin struck with misaligned dies to be less radical, to taper very gradually both left and right.

    In other words the edge of the coin would be noticeably thinner, but the change from thick to thin would be very gradual and over a longer distance, it would not suddenly dip and immediately go right back up like the edge of your coin does.

    I suspect that when you actually measure that coin, the edge will be the normal thickness everywhere except that one small spot. And were it due to misaligned dies this would not be the case for with misaligned dies if one side or the other is too close then by default the opposite sides must be too far apart - resulting in a coin with part of the edge too thick and the other too thin.

    But that's just thinking out loud on my part.
     
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  16. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Add this to the mix: The strength of the design details on the struck coin. Is there any weakness or not? If the planchet is out of tolerance it should show in the design of the coin somewhere.
     
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  17. Billyray

    Billyray Junior Member

    Weigh it. That will tell you if it is a planchet issue. If it is from the end of a sheet that was tapered, it will weigh less than normal
     
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  18. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    I just used my micrometer ( Thanks Insider for the advise!) on this flat/fat penny and the fat section is -- 167mm and the flat section is -- 143mm ....What do you think ?
     
  19. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    I think @Billyray had the best idea. Weigh it. Sorry I forgot :eggface::facepalm: to mention the easiest test.:( We could have saved you the cost of the micrometer. It is nice to have one though.

    Now you get to go back on to Amazon and get a small digital pocket size scale (under $20). Many of the TPGS authenticators keep one on their desk and take them to shows. You'll get lots of use from one of these! Didn't think to tell you to get one with the micrometer :facepalm::(.

    Now all you'll need is a velvet jewelers pad, a good incandescent lamp, an OTT fluorescent lamp, and some triplet hand lenses. I use a B&L 3X, 4X, 7X plastic lens combo along with B&L Hastings triplets in 5X or 7X (it's at home and I don't remember), 10X, 14X, and 20X. Each lens has a specific use BUT THIS IS OVER KILL! Some people collect watches; I like hand lenses ;)
     
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  20. SmokinJoe

    SmokinJoe Well-Known Member

    Welll......Back to Amazon I go....... ( I love shopping ) :)
     
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  21. Insider

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    I've never done this: Just measured the thickness of a few copper wheat cents. None looked like yours though. Your coin has a difference of 024mm. Closest I came with several coins was .021 mm having 1.46 mm at its thickest.

    I still do not think you have anything other than an oddity as I have seen cents like yours in pocket change over the years. The weight will tell if you have anything special. Cross your fingers!
     
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