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<p>[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1392162, member: 26302"]From <a href="http://www.kroraina.com/ca/c_bukhara.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.kroraina.com/ca/c_bukhara.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kroraina.com/ca/c_bukhara.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>"The coins of Bukhara Sogd with a camel on the obverse, and on the reverse – a fire altar {Table 119, 20-24} or a Sogdian legend {Table 199, 25} belong to the last quarter – the beginning of the VIII c. The attempts [Shishkin, 1963. p. 63] to date them on the basis on the altar’s appearance alone, outside of their numismatic and archaeological context, led to an unjustifiably early dates (III – the beginning of the IV c.]. This series and its dating is not specially discussed in the "Summary catalogue of the Sogdian coins" of O.I. Smirnova. They were not included in the catalogue part [Smirnova, 1981. pp. 28-30]. The coins with a Sogdian legend on the reverse [Smirnova, 1981. pp. 312-313] and the coins with a square hole and a legend, according to Smirnova [Smirnova, 1981. pp. 314-315] of Farnbag, are classified as belonging to the group of early coins of the Western Sogd, which precede the Bukhara coins of the Chinese type with the legend "kaj juan tun bao" on the obverse and a Bukhara symbol on the reverse. A more definitive dating that those of Shishkin and Smirnova is given by Musakaeva [Musakaeva, 1985. p. 82] – IV-V c., but again there is no detailed argumentation. The archaeological-stratigraphical data for the coins with a camel reveal a rather later date – from the last quarter of the VII c. to the beginning of the VIII c., but the chronological frame for this series is still uncertain"</p><p><br /></p><p>So, no definitive date. Its unfortunate its not in Smirnova 1981, but I will check Smirnova 1963 tonight. Based upon its style, I definitely would argue its a later coin versus earlier, but that is just based on fabric.</p><p><br /></p><p>I did find another website with this listed. They listed the type as common, but right below it they listed another type as extremely rare, (and I own 5 of them), so take their rarity scale with a grain of salt. Of these coins, I have seen 4 for sale, and have bought the top 3 of them. To me they are scarcer coins at least within the Sogdian series.</p><p><br /></p><p>Chris[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1392162, member: 26302"]From [url]http://www.kroraina.com/ca/c_bukhara.html[/url] "The coins of Bukhara Sogd with a camel on the obverse, and on the reverse – a fire altar {Table 119, 20-24} or a Sogdian legend {Table 199, 25} belong to the last quarter – the beginning of the VIII c. The attempts [Shishkin, 1963. p. 63] to date them on the basis on the altar’s appearance alone, outside of their numismatic and archaeological context, led to an unjustifiably early dates (III – the beginning of the IV c.]. This series and its dating is not specially discussed in the "Summary catalogue of the Sogdian coins" of O.I. Smirnova. They were not included in the catalogue part [Smirnova, 1981. pp. 28-30]. The coins with a Sogdian legend on the reverse [Smirnova, 1981. pp. 312-313] and the coins with a square hole and a legend, according to Smirnova [Smirnova, 1981. pp. 314-315] of Farnbag, are classified as belonging to the group of early coins of the Western Sogd, which precede the Bukhara coins of the Chinese type with the legend "kaj juan tun bao" on the obverse and a Bukhara symbol on the reverse. A more definitive dating that those of Shishkin and Smirnova is given by Musakaeva [Musakaeva, 1985. p. 82] – IV-V c., but again there is no detailed argumentation. The archaeological-stratigraphical data for the coins with a camel reveal a rather later date – from the last quarter of the VII c. to the beginning of the VIII c., but the chronological frame for this series is still uncertain" So, no definitive date. Its unfortunate its not in Smirnova 1981, but I will check Smirnova 1963 tonight. Based upon its style, I definitely would argue its a later coin versus earlier, but that is just based on fabric. I did find another website with this listed. They listed the type as common, but right below it they listed another type as extremely rare, (and I own 5 of them), so take their rarity scale with a grain of salt. Of these coins, I have seen 4 for sale, and have bought the top 3 of them. To me they are scarcer coins at least within the Sogdian series. Chris[/QUOTE]
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