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<p>[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 3438615, member: 95174"]That is a great looking coin and I am aware of it too BUT without testing the gold we are uncertain if it is John II ( 1118 -1143) or John III Emperor of Nicaea( 1222-1254) . John III did a very messed up thing , he decided to imitate the Thessalonica issues of John II , even the legends that he was not entitled to, so the only secure way to determine between the two is their purity, John II 20 1/2 carats and John III is 18 carats. Also to make it more complex the Latin Empire also minted the exact same type of Hyperpyron.( Also 18 carats.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Check out this article.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118-43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222-54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118-43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222-54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118-43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222-54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_.pdf</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I have been trying to complete my collection of John II coinage and I am now only missing the two Thessalonica Hyperpyron. </p><p><br /></p><p>Regardless that John coin is Very attractive.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="BenSi, post: 3438615, member: 95174"]That is a great looking coin and I am aware of it too BUT without testing the gold we are uncertain if it is John II ( 1118 -1143) or John III Emperor of Nicaea( 1222-1254) . John III did a very messed up thing , he decided to imitate the Thessalonica issues of John II , even the legends that he was not entitled to, so the only secure way to determine between the two is their purity, John II 20 1/2 carats and John III is 18 carats. Also to make it more complex the Latin Empire also minted the exact same type of Hyperpyron.( Also 18 carats.) Check out this article. [url]https://www.academia.edu/35195487/John_II_Comnenus_1118-43_or_John_III_Vatatzes_1222-54_Distinguishing_the_Hyperpyra_of_John_II_from_those_of_John_III_.pdf[/url] I have been trying to complete my collection of John II coinage and I am now only missing the two Thessalonica Hyperpyron. Regardless that John coin is Very attractive.[/QUOTE]
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