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<p>[QUOTE="Bob L., post: 8229170, member: 56976"]Not long ago, I viewed a Youtube video documenting a group of metal detectorists in the UK uncovering a huge hoard of coins. I know my thinking is skewed – and out of sync with you all - because, as I viewed the vid, I was focused more on the fragments of the shattered pot that held the coins than on the coins themselves. And that – ceramic ware fragments – is what this thread deals with.</p><p><br /></p><p>I know a lot of ancient coin collectors enjoy picking up an occasional artifact to provide some historical context for their coins. And I know that a number of you have coins that depict ancient ceramic ware that, especially in plural form, goes by all sorts of tongue-twisting names: kantharoi, amphorae, kraters (okay, that one’s not a tongue-twister), kylikes, skyphoi, lekythoi, oinochoai, etc. So, while this post is not about coins, per se, I hope you’ll bear with me.</p><p><br /></p><p>The ancient pottery I collect is from across ancient cultures in Western Asia, Europe, and even Pre-Columbian America. I enjoy it all. In addition to purchasing more-or-less intact pieces, I also sometimes pick up potsherds (sherds). Now, I know that some folks prefer the term “shard” – which, while technically not wrong, is just not as right. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie2" alt=";)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1446488[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I exhibit my sherds in scattered orbits around the intact larger ceramic ware, edged weapons, and arrowheads in my display cases.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyway, I thought I’d create a couple of posts to discuss what I perceive of as the pros and cons of sherd collecting, and to do some show-and-tell.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, I know what you’re thinking: <i>Gawd, not another post about potsherds!</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Uh, that was a joke. I mean, really, has anyone, anywhere, ever, created a thread devoted to the collecting of (non-ostraca) potsherds before? Of course, there <i>are</i> some folks who appreciate and collect them. As examples, here’s a shoutout to v-drome and mauseus at Forum:</p><p><br /></p><p>v-drome:</p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4497" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4497" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4497</a></p><p><br /></p><p>mauseus (two pages with lots of stuff, including a number of sherds):</p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642</a></p><p><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642&page=2" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642&page=2" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642&page=2</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And here are a couple of sherds I saw posted recently by GinoLR here at CT:</p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/%C3%A9ph%C3%A8be-jpg.1420592/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/%C3%A9ph%C3%A8be-jpg.1420592/">https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/éphèbe-jpg.1420592/</a></p><p><a href="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/abraham-jpg.1420595/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/abraham-jpg.1420595/">https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/abraham-jpg.1420595/</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>The good:</b></p><p><br /></p><p>Sherds are fun. They provide the tactile satisfaction that many collectors crave – that same impulse, I suppose, that prompts so many of you to crack open slabs to free otherwise entombed coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Depending on the type and condition, some sherds can be quite affordable. As in the case of the Greek amphora and the Etruscan dolium fragments I present in the next post, broken-off parts can be <b><i>considerably</i></b> cheaper than an intact larger vessel, assuming such vessels are ever even available on the market.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you’re lucky enough to snag a sherd with even minimal hand-painted decoration – even just a few stripes – then you’re the owner of a minute, hand-produced ancient painting. For me, there’s a cool factor that is associated with this. (Perhaps because I’m a painter.) While it’s neat to think about all the folks in antiquity who produced, held, spent, and saved any particular ancient coin, the fact is that the artists – the engravers – produced the dies, not the coins. With painted sherds, the artist’s hand – his direct touch – is right there. From my collection, here’s a small sherd from Olbia, with some simple, hand-painted converging lines:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1446492[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>The bad:</b></p><p><br /></p><p>It seems to me that, as with coins, fakery exists with pottery – including with sherds. While I am not an authority on the subject by any means, I do believe I’ve seen a number of bogus “ancient” sherds for sale. They fall into the “too good to be true” category – with absolutely no blemishes. Could some of them have been kosher? Sure. As I say, I’m no expert. But I have seen some Greek, Roman, and Pre-Columbian sherds that have given me pause.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another problem is the high potential for misattribution. I sometimes see what appear to be legitimately old pottery fragments – typically, unspectacular grayware pieces – that are listed definitively as Roman, but which could conceivably be medieval or even post-medieval. Sadly, with many sherds, it’s impossible to attribute with 100% certainty. Intuiting the overall shape of the vessel from which a sherd originated – which <i>might</i> help pin down an attribution to type, location, and/or approximate date – is, of course, often impossible with small potsherds. (Sometimes, though, the type of original vessel may be evident if the sherd is large enough – as with a few of mine.) If you’re relying on a seller’s attribution then, obviously, knowing and trusting that seller (and, implicitly, his or her sources) is vital. Personally, I will only buy sherds when I’m reasonably confident not just about their authenticity, but also about their attribution – meaning, approximate dating and location, or at least a cultural context. In addition, I seek out good provenance when it’s available.</p><p><br /></p><p>Of course, rarer types in good condition can be pricey. And, naturally, solid provenance, as from old, established collections, will of course increase value and cost.</p><p><br /></p><p>But the fact is, there is total lack of a pricing standard with these. While bargains can, thankfully, be had, prices can vary greatly between sellers, with true gouging by some.</p><p><br /></p><p>Okay, in my next post, I’ll do some show-and-tell.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bob L., post: 8229170, member: 56976"]Not long ago, I viewed a Youtube video documenting a group of metal detectorists in the UK uncovering a huge hoard of coins. I know my thinking is skewed – and out of sync with you all - because, as I viewed the vid, I was focused more on the fragments of the shattered pot that held the coins than on the coins themselves. And that – ceramic ware fragments – is what this thread deals with. I know a lot of ancient coin collectors enjoy picking up an occasional artifact to provide some historical context for their coins. And I know that a number of you have coins that depict ancient ceramic ware that, especially in plural form, goes by all sorts of tongue-twisting names: kantharoi, amphorae, kraters (okay, that one’s not a tongue-twister), kylikes, skyphoi, lekythoi, oinochoai, etc. So, while this post is not about coins, per se, I hope you’ll bear with me. The ancient pottery I collect is from across ancient cultures in Western Asia, Europe, and even Pre-Columbian America. I enjoy it all. In addition to purchasing more-or-less intact pieces, I also sometimes pick up potsherds (sherds). Now, I know that some folks prefer the term “shard” – which, while technically not wrong, is just not as right. ;) [ATTACH=full]1446488[/ATTACH] I exhibit my sherds in scattered orbits around the intact larger ceramic ware, edged weapons, and arrowheads in my display cases. Anyway, I thought I’d create a couple of posts to discuss what I perceive of as the pros and cons of sherd collecting, and to do some show-and-tell. Now, I know what you’re thinking: [I]Gawd, not another post about potsherds![/I] Uh, that was a joke. I mean, really, has anyone, anywhere, ever, created a thread devoted to the collecting of (non-ostraca) potsherds before? Of course, there [I]are[/I] some folks who appreciate and collect them. As examples, here’s a shoutout to v-drome and mauseus at Forum: v-drome: [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4497[/URL] mauseus (two pages with lots of stuff, including a number of sherds): [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642[/URL] [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=642&page=2[/URL] And here are a couple of sherds I saw posted recently by GinoLR here at CT: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/%C3%A9ph%C3%A8be-jpg.1420592/[/URL] [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/abraham-jpg.1420595/[/URL] [B]The good:[/B] Sherds are fun. They provide the tactile satisfaction that many collectors crave – that same impulse, I suppose, that prompts so many of you to crack open slabs to free otherwise entombed coins. Depending on the type and condition, some sherds can be quite affordable. As in the case of the Greek amphora and the Etruscan dolium fragments I present in the next post, broken-off parts can be [B][I]considerably[/I][/B] cheaper than an intact larger vessel, assuming such vessels are ever even available on the market. If you’re lucky enough to snag a sherd with even minimal hand-painted decoration – even just a few stripes – then you’re the owner of a minute, hand-produced ancient painting. For me, there’s a cool factor that is associated with this. (Perhaps because I’m a painter.) While it’s neat to think about all the folks in antiquity who produced, held, spent, and saved any particular ancient coin, the fact is that the artists – the engravers – produced the dies, not the coins. With painted sherds, the artist’s hand – his direct touch – is right there. From my collection, here’s a small sherd from Olbia, with some simple, hand-painted converging lines: [ATTACH=full]1446492[/ATTACH] [B] The bad:[/B] It seems to me that, as with coins, fakery exists with pottery – including with sherds. While I am not an authority on the subject by any means, I do believe I’ve seen a number of bogus “ancient” sherds for sale. They fall into the “too good to be true” category – with absolutely no blemishes. Could some of them have been kosher? Sure. As I say, I’m no expert. But I have seen some Greek, Roman, and Pre-Columbian sherds that have given me pause. Another problem is the high potential for misattribution. I sometimes see what appear to be legitimately old pottery fragments – typically, unspectacular grayware pieces – that are listed definitively as Roman, but which could conceivably be medieval or even post-medieval. Sadly, with many sherds, it’s impossible to attribute with 100% certainty. Intuiting the overall shape of the vessel from which a sherd originated – which [I]might[/I] help pin down an attribution to type, location, and/or approximate date – is, of course, often impossible with small potsherds. (Sometimes, though, the type of original vessel may be evident if the sherd is large enough – as with a few of mine.) If you’re relying on a seller’s attribution then, obviously, knowing and trusting that seller (and, implicitly, his or her sources) is vital. Personally, I will only buy sherds when I’m reasonably confident not just about their authenticity, but also about their attribution – meaning, approximate dating and location, or at least a cultural context. In addition, I seek out good provenance when it’s available. Of course, rarer types in good condition can be pricey. And, naturally, solid provenance, as from old, established collections, will of course increase value and cost. But the fact is, there is total lack of a pricing standard with these. While bargains can, thankfully, be had, prices can vary greatly between sellers, with true gouging by some. Okay, in my next post, I’ll do some show-and-tell.[/QUOTE]
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