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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2571476, member: 10461"]<font face="Georgia"><b>German States (Teutonic Order): silver 1/4-thaler of Grand Master Maximilian of Austria, ca. 1615</b></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><img src="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/GermanStatesTeutonicOrder-quarter-thaler-ca.1615-023833-coin-800x500.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Obverse: </b>continuous legend: MAXIMIL: DG: ARC: AV: DVX:BVRG: MAG: PRVSS: ADMI:, caped duke standing, long sword in right hand, lion with shield left, plumed helmet right. </font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">(<b>Translation of obverse legend:</b> <i>"Maximilian, by God's Grace Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Grand Master of the Teutonic Order"</i>.)</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Reverse:</b> armored and helmeted duke with lance on draped horseback right, 16 shields surrounding, coat of arms of the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order below.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">KM38, silver, 30 mm, 7 g approx. PCGS XF45, cert. #81824095. Ex-Halbedel Münzen und Medaillen, Salzburg, Austria, 5/25/2016 (purchased raw through their MA-shops.com store).</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><span style="color: #ff0000"><b><font size="4">Note to self, 11/19/16:</font></b><font size="3"> create photos of new slab and update primary image w/TrueView-based template</font></span></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">Can a coin have "machismo"? If so, this design certainly would be a contender for that quality. Ever since I saw a massive and rare 1486 Austrian <i>guldiner</i> coin in a museum, I was taken with the basic motif of a mounted and armored knight on horseback surrounded by coats of arms. I'll never be able to afford a guldiner like the one I saw in the museum, but this more modest quarter-thaler piece of a similar design fit my budget. I did see two or three others of this type in slightly higher grade (for significantly higher prices), but this one had the contrasting grey and white toning I like so much on circulated old silver. So despite being in a modest (though acceptable) technical grade, its lower price and higher eye appeal sold me.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">As of this typing, I'm only just beginning to learn some of the history behind this coin. The Teutonic Order sounds colorful and exciting, though I'll confess to you that the Hapsburgs and Holy Roman Empire and pretty much all of Europe in this period seem a confusing, blurry crazy-quilt to me. I'll keep studying, and enjoy this coin for a while. After all, it is through collecting neat old coins like this that I've learned most of what I know about world history.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Miscellaneous links:</b></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/GermanStatesTeutonicOrder-quarter-thaler-ca.1615-023833-coin-lg.png" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/GermanStatesTeutonicOrder-quarter-thaler-ca.1615-023833-coin-lg.png" rel="nofollow">Larger image</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81824095" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81824095" rel="nofollow">PCGS cert verification page</a> (w/TrueView image link)</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-teutonic-order-1-4-thaler-km-38-ca-1615--cuid-102690-duid-268601" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-teutonic-order-1-4-thaler-km-38-ca-1615--cuid-102690-duid-268601" rel="nofollow">NGC/Krause priceguide trends</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://www.ma-shops.com/halbedel/item.php5?id=6774&lang=en" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ma-shops.com/halbedel/item.php5?id=6774&lang=en" rel="nofollow">Original dealer page</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><b>Wikipedia links:</b></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Masters_of_the_Teutonic_Order" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Masters_of_the_Teutonic_Order" rel="nofollow">Grand Masters of the Teutonic Order</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_III,_Archduke_of_Austria" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_III,_Archduke_of_Austria" rel="nofollow">Maximilian III, Archduke of Austria</a></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler" rel="nofollow">Thaler</a> (alternately spelled "taler")</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guldengroschen" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guldengroschen" rel="nofollow">Guldengroschen</a> (the "guldiner" coins mentioned above by way of comparison)</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia">When posted here, this coin was part of my <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lord-marcovans-eclectic-box-of-20-collection.283541/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lord-marcovans-eclectic-box-of-20-collection.283541/">"Eclectic Box of 20" collection</a>.</font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"><br /></font></p><p><font face="Georgia"></font>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 2571476, member: 10461"][FONT=Georgia][B]German States (Teutonic Order): silver 1/4-thaler of Grand Master Maximilian of Austria, ca. 1615[/B] [IMG]http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/GermanStatesTeutonicOrder-quarter-thaler-ca.1615-023833-coin-800x500.png[/IMG] [B]Obverse: [/B]continuous legend: MAXIMIL: DG: ARC: AV: DVX:BVRG: MAG: PRVSS: ADMI:, caped duke standing, long sword in right hand, lion with shield left, plumed helmet right. ([B]Translation of obverse legend:[/B] [I]"Maximilian, by God's Grace Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Grand Master of the Teutonic Order"[/I].) [B]Reverse:[/B] armored and helmeted duke with lance on draped horseback right, 16 shields surrounding, coat of arms of the Grand Master of the Teutonic Order below. KM38, silver, 30 mm, 7 g approx. PCGS XF45, cert. #81824095. Ex-Halbedel Münzen und Medaillen, Salzburg, Austria, 5/25/2016 (purchased raw through their MA-shops.com store). [COLOR=#ff0000][B][SIZE=4]Note to self, 11/19/16:[/SIZE][/B][SIZE=3] create photos of new slab and update primary image w/TrueView-based template[/SIZE][/COLOR] Can a coin have "machismo"? If so, this design certainly would be a contender for that quality. Ever since I saw a massive and rare 1486 Austrian [I]guldiner[/I] coin in a museum, I was taken with the basic motif of a mounted and armored knight on horseback surrounded by coats of arms. I'll never be able to afford a guldiner like the one I saw in the museum, but this more modest quarter-thaler piece of a similar design fit my budget. I did see two or three others of this type in slightly higher grade (for significantly higher prices), but this one had the contrasting grey and white toning I like so much on circulated old silver. So despite being in a modest (though acceptable) technical grade, its lower price and higher eye appeal sold me. As of this typing, I'm only just beginning to learn some of the history behind this coin. The Teutonic Order sounds colorful and exciting, though I'll confess to you that the Hapsburgs and Holy Roman Empire and pretty much all of Europe in this period seem a confusing, blurry crazy-quilt to me. I'll keep studying, and enjoy this coin for a while. After all, it is through collecting neat old coins like this that I've learned most of what I know about world history. [B]Miscellaneous links:[/B] [URL='http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k173/lordmarcovan/GermanStatesTeutonicOrder-quarter-thaler-ca.1615-023833-coin-lg.png']Larger image[/URL] [URL='http://www.pcgs.com/cert/81824095']PCGS cert verification page[/URL] (w/TrueView image link) [URL='http://www.ngccoin.com/price-guide/world/german-states-teutonic-order-1-4-thaler-km-38-ca-1615--cuid-102690-duid-268601']NGC/Krause priceguide trends[/URL] [URL='http://www.ma-shops.com/halbedel/item.php5?id=6774&lang=en']Original dealer page[/URL] [B]Wikipedia links:[/B] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Masters_of_the_Teutonic_Order']Grand Masters of the Teutonic Order[/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_III,_Archduke_of_Austria']Maximilian III, Archduke of Austria[/URL] [URL='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thaler']Thaler[/URL] (alternately spelled "taler") [URL='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guldengroschen']Guldengroschen[/URL] (the "guldiner" coins mentioned above by way of comparison) When posted here, this coin was part of my [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/lord-marcovans-eclectic-box-of-20-collection.283541/']"Eclectic Box of 20" collection[/URL]. [/FONT][/QUOTE]
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