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<p>[QUOTE="Insider, post: 5124916, member: 24314"]baseball21, posted: "It's naive at best to think your definition of true technical would match the same as people 100 years before you or a thousand years before you. It's not an attack on your career or your work but the fact remains the standard that you say never changes was already a change from the past. </p><p><br /></p><p><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie11" alt=":rolleyes:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Sometime in the past (when there really were NO previous Standards), an <b>actual</b> standard was devised. Thus, Mint State was defined as: <b><i>Free from any trace of [</i></b><span style="color: #b30059">friction**</span><b><i>] wear.</i></b> <b><span style="color: #b30000">I didn't make this up.</span></b> I wasn't even alive but some numismatists came up with that "standard" to help solve grading abuses. That's the way it was in the 70's and that was the standard I used to develop the technical grading system based on the one used by the Large cent specialists. What was going on in the "raw" coin market was generally CRIMMINAL! That "MS standard" did not work well in the commercial coin market because many attractive coins were mishandled with friction due to minor abrasion (no longer MS) on their surfaces. </p><p><br /></p><p>Market Solution: Dump the prevailing standard that I learned so grading could evolve over time as the expert <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie25" alt=":blackeye:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> coin dealers <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> doing the grading <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <span style="color: #b30000">"learned (<font size="6"><span style="color: #006633"><b>?</b></span></font>) more"</span> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie12" alt="o_O" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie52" alt=":hilarious:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> and coin values <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />increased <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> or decreased <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> over periods of time. </p><p><br /></p><p>What is "naïve at best" to me is that some folks don't know this. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie85" alt=":smuggrin:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><span style="color: #b30059">** my addition to allow for other traces.</span>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Insider, post: 5124916, member: 24314"]baseball21, posted: "It's naive at best to think your definition of true technical would match the same as people 100 years before you or a thousand years before you. It's not an attack on your career or your work but the fact remains the standard that you say never changes was already a change from the past. :rolleyes: Sometime in the past (when there really were NO previous Standards), an [B]actual[/B] standard was devised. Thus, Mint State was defined as: [B][I]Free from any trace of [[/I][/B][COLOR=#b30059]friction**[/COLOR][B][I]] wear.[/I][/B] [B][COLOR=#b30000]I didn't make this up.[/COLOR][/B] I wasn't even alive but some numismatists came up with that "standard" to help solve grading abuses. That's the way it was in the 70's and that was the standard I used to develop the technical grading system based on the one used by the Large cent specialists. What was going on in the "raw" coin market was generally CRIMMINAL! That "MS standard" did not work well in the commercial coin market because many attractive coins were mishandled with friction due to minor abrasion (no longer MS) on their surfaces. Market Solution: Dump the prevailing standard that I learned so grading could evolve over time as the expert :blackeye: coin dealers :greedy: doing the grading :greedy::greedy: [COLOR=#b30000]"learned ([SIZE=6][COLOR=#006633][B]?[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]) more"[/COLOR] o_O :hilarious::hilarious::hilarious: and coin values :greedy::greedy::greedy:increased :D or decreased :( over periods of time. What is "naïve at best" to me is that some folks don't know this. :smuggrin: [COLOR=#b30059]** my addition to allow for other traces.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
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