Old Egyptian/Mesopotamian Gold coin?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by coin0709, May 17, 2013.

  1. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    It is NOT an ancient Roman coin. What it is, I cannot say with certainty. But it is definitely not an ancient gold coin of Claudius II.
     
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  3. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Ok, thanks. Am posting a few more interesting coins here in a min.

     
  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I will be looking for them. Hopefully better luck with the next coins.
     
  5. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Bing et al. One last chance with this coin before I consider giving up. For a second, lets assume this is a solid gold piece. Is it possible that this coin is a severely filed down actual gold Philip I or Gallienus Antoninianus? There are some that look similar here. http://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5

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  6. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    no chance at all...
     
  7. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Sorry, but I agree with Rudi.
     
  8. coin0709

    coin0709 CT Supporter

    Ho hum....okay......thanks guys. I guess I'll throw in the towel on this one, and hope to get a little more than spot.
     
  9. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    Hey, we all had to learn... But please accept the guidelines and help you get from 'experienced' people, ok ? We wont bite :p (unless...)...
     
  10. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    You're mixing up terms a little bit. The antoninianus was originally a silver issue meant to replace the denarius. The coins gradually became debased until they contained almost no silver, but they were sometimes given a silver wash. The denomination "antoninianus" never refers to a gold coin. Those are aureii and solidi.

    The radiate portrait on your round is a generic portrait, used by a number of rulers in the late Roman period. This type of portrait was generally used to denote a higher denomination on bronze and/or billon issues, that is, distinguishing a coin of the same metal type as being of greater monetary value than a coin exhibiting a portrait with a bare head or laurel leaves, etc.

    I have never seen a Roman gold coin with a radiate bust, which is why I have to side with Rudi and Bing. The piece is very likely nothing more than a gold-plated bronze cull, or a solid gold round cast in the form of a antoninianus, and a well-worn one at that.
     
  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

  12. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Interesting ...

    :hail:
     
  13. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    No John, that is an ancient plated one... The one shown is this thread is a modern plated coin. Some dodo's enjoy themselves plating near to worthless coins and sell them on eBay... I think they call it clads or something... $ 1 or 2 a piece...
     
  14. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I think the OP's "coin" is indeed modern. I'm more inclined to believe someone in the ancient world would have chosen a bronze in better condition to plate and pass off as a aureus. But the truth of the matter is, there's absolutely no way to tell the difference between an old plating and a new. The counterfeiters didn't exactly stamp dates on their work.
     
  15. Rudi Smits

    Rudi Smits Member

    I got several ancient gold plated ones in stock, most are very poor e.g. only few gold remaining...
     
  16. stevex6

    stevex6 Random Mayhem

    Ummmm, hey don't look at me ...... ummm, even though I work at a mine that has a refinery, where I can electroplate different metals onto just about anything ... that would be wrong (right?)


    ;)
     
  17. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    But if I was in the business of cheating people, that's exactly what I would do. I'd get myself a nice-looking antoninianus and do a crappy job plating it so that it looked like an ancient counterfeit. I see these gold-plated bronzes from time to time, but I'm dubious. They don't have anywhere near the provenance of silver-washed bronze.

    I'm not saying they're NOT ancient. What I'm saying is there is no way to authenticate the date of plating, that I know of...
     
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