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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 160542, member: 66"]Here is a little more information on the token from the original thread.</p><p><br /></p><p>As stated it was issued by William Lutwyche of Birmingham in Warwickshire England. The Reverse die was Lutwyche's personal die used for his own advertisment. The obverse die was meant to commemorate King George III's return to health from one of his periodic bouts of madness. (Eventually the Kings sanity left him completely and his son George IV governed as regent during about the last ten years of his life until George III's death in 1820. At which point George IV assended to the throne.)</p><p><br /></p><p>The dies for the token were engraved by Noel-Alexandre Ponthon who worked at the Soho Mint in Birmingham. The mintage was about 103,000 pieces. The obverse die was also muled with two different patriotic dies and issued for general circulation</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I'm not sure if that is George II or not. I think the image had a different specific poliical meaning but I haven't been able to find a reference to it. The slopseller was James Spence the brother of Thomas Spence the political rabble rouser, supporter of Thomas Paine, and issuer of many tokens. He produced twenty different tokens for his brother muling his obverse with dies that Thomas had used for his own tokens.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The hanging man was normally used to represent Thomas Paine or in the case of three men, the three Thomases, Thomas Paine, Thomas Spence, and Thomas Hardy. They were advocates for social reform and supporters of the revolution going on in France. They advocated the import of some of its ideas to ingland including the overthrow of the Monarchy. They were tried on several cases for sedition and High Treason. They were acquited on more than one occasion but the sentiment of many of the people was more along the lines of what was pictured on the tokens. It eventually became to "hot" for Paine and he eventually had to flee to France. (Where he finally got into trouble with the French and had to flee from France as well.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 160542, member: 66"]Here is a little more information on the token from the original thread. As stated it was issued by William Lutwyche of Birmingham in Warwickshire England. The Reverse die was Lutwyche's personal die used for his own advertisment. The obverse die was meant to commemorate King George III's return to health from one of his periodic bouts of madness. (Eventually the Kings sanity left him completely and his son George IV governed as regent during about the last ten years of his life until George III's death in 1820. At which point George IV assended to the throne.) The dies for the token were engraved by Noel-Alexandre Ponthon who worked at the Soho Mint in Birmingham. The mintage was about 103,000 pieces. The obverse die was also muled with two different patriotic dies and issued for general circulation I'm not sure if that is George II or not. I think the image had a different specific poliical meaning but I haven't been able to find a reference to it. The slopseller was James Spence the brother of Thomas Spence the political rabble rouser, supporter of Thomas Paine, and issuer of many tokens. He produced twenty different tokens for his brother muling his obverse with dies that Thomas had used for his own tokens. The hanging man was normally used to represent Thomas Paine or in the case of three men, the three Thomases, Thomas Paine, Thomas Spence, and Thomas Hardy. They were advocates for social reform and supporters of the revolution going on in France. They advocated the import of some of its ideas to ingland including the overthrow of the Monarchy. They were tried on several cases for sedition and High Treason. They were acquited on more than one occasion but the sentiment of many of the people was more along the lines of what was pictured on the tokens. It eventually became to "hot" for Paine and he eventually had to flee to France. (Where he finally got into trouble with the French and had to flee from France as well.)[/QUOTE]
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