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Message:: [QUOTE="medoraman, post: 1284835, member: 26302"]Well, they would not have been much smaller than AE3's in the 4th century, so there was precedent. As to your reading, yes that was the accepted view. I talked, however, to a man who recreates these and he had evidence both in Byzantine coins and first hand experience how its easier to do after the coin is struck than during. I have seen these too, FDC scyphates with flat areas in the center of the cup side, EXACTLY the wrong spot to expect wear. It does, however, correspond perfectly to a punch being used to form the scyphate after striking. Chris Edit: Btw, the man I talked to said he tried to make schyphate dies and was never successful striking them well. However, striking flat and having an assitant punch the scyphate form he is able to strike more than one a second on a sustained output. I have some copies of his work, it is on bronze flans, and really does look identical to a byzantine scyphate, except its all new and shiny. I know this is not absolute proof, but I am willing to give a man who has physically struck these coins in the manner the ancients did for 20 years the benefit of the doubt as to his opinion on how it could have been accomplished most easily. Any ivory tower elite who has never picked up a hammer in his life can come up with whatever theory they like, but if reality contradicts them, I vote for reality.[/QUOTE]