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<p>[QUOTE="Harry G, post: 7644386, member: 105282"]Hi all! I know discussions are already on Forvm Ancient Coins and r/AncientCoins, but there isn't a thread here yet, so I'm posting one in case people aren't active on the other sites</p><p><br /></p><p>The new Katz auction has many suspected fake coins listed as genuine, including die matches to other coin in the same sale. None of these are marked as forgeries</p><p><br /></p><p>As an antoninianus collector, I went straight to their Imperial section to see what they had to offer. If I were looking to buy fakes, I would not be disappointed. Most of them have weird portrait styles - and even some common coins look like forgeries.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Salonina:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964306" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964306" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964306</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314410[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Laelianus:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964311" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964311" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964311</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314409[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Marius:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964310" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964310" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964310</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314408[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Another Marius:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964312" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964312" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964312</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314407[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Quintillus:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964314" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964314" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964314</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314406[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Aurelian & Vabalathus:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964316" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964316" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964316</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314405[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Tetricus II</b> (Seriously, genuine ones are like £10) <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964318" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964318" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964318</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1314404[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><b>Probus:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964324" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964324" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964324</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Numerian:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964332" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964332" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964332</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Carinus</b> (Rare obverse legend) <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964334" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964334" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964334</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Carausius:</b> <a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964338" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964338" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964338</a></p><p><br /></p><p>There are also a couple of die matches of antoninianii, matched with coins IN THE SAME SALE</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Probus:</b></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964326" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964326" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964326</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964327" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964327" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964327</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964330" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964330" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964330</a></p><p><br /></p><p>(Looking at the coin, I wouldn't have said it was a fake. However, the fact that there are THREE of them indicates otherwise)</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Carausius:</b></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964336" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964336" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964336</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964337" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964337" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964337</a></p><p><br /></p><p><b>Allectus:</b></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964339" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964339" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964339</a></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964340" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964340" rel="nofollow">https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964340</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I only checked the antoninianii, so this is just scratching the surface</p><p><br /></p><p>How are they getting away with this? If anyone from Biddr is reading this, can something be done about this?</p><p><br /></p><p>Apparently, according to Reddit, OP says that, in the past when Katz has been accused of selling fakes, they have added 'Old Collector's Copy' to the description. I suspect they will have to add that to a lot of their listings...</p><p><br /></p><p>On Forvm Ancient Coins, there is a seven (!) part discussion about these fakes here: <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0</a></p><p><br /></p><p>And the Reddit post is here: <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/comments/ntk43l/a_lot_of_suspected_fakes_on_upcoming_katz_auction/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/comments/ntk43l/a_lot_of_suspected_fakes_on_upcoming_katz_auction/" rel="nofollow">https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/comments/ntk43l/a_lot_of_suspected_fakes_on_upcoming_katz_auction/</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Harry G, post: 7644386, member: 105282"]Hi all! I know discussions are already on Forvm Ancient Coins and r/AncientCoins, but there isn't a thread here yet, so I'm posting one in case people aren't active on the other sites The new Katz auction has many suspected fake coins listed as genuine, including die matches to other coin in the same sale. None of these are marked as forgeries As an antoninianus collector, I went straight to their Imperial section to see what they had to offer. If I were looking to buy fakes, I would not be disappointed. Most of them have weird portrait styles - and even some common coins look like forgeries. [B]Salonina:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964306[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314410[/ATTACH] [B]Laelianus:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964311[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314409[/ATTACH] [B]Marius:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964310[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314408[/ATTACH] [B]Another Marius:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964312[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314407[/ATTACH] [B]Quintillus:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964314[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314406[/ATTACH] [B]Aurelian & Vabalathus:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964316[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314405[/ATTACH] [B]Tetricus II[/B] (Seriously, genuine ones are like £10) [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964318[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1314404[/ATTACH] [B]Probus:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964324[/URL] [B]Numerian:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964332[/URL] [B]Carinus[/B] (Rare obverse legend) [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964334[/URL] [B]Carausius:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964338[/URL] There are also a couple of die matches of antoninianii, matched with coins IN THE SAME SALE [B]Probus:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964326[/URL] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964327[/URL] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964330[/URL] (Looking at the coin, I wouldn't have said it was a fake. However, the fact that there are THREE of them indicates otherwise) [B]Carausius:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964336[/URL] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964337[/URL] [B]Allectus:[/B] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964339[/URL] [URL]https://www.biddr.com/auctions/katz/browse?a=1814&l=1964340[/URL] I only checked the antoninianii, so this is just scratching the surface How are they getting away with this? If anyone from Biddr is reading this, can something be done about this? Apparently, according to Reddit, OP says that, in the past when Katz has been accused of selling fakes, they have added 'Old Collector's Copy' to the description. I suspect they will have to add that to a lot of their listings... On Forvm Ancient Coins, there is a seven (!) part discussion about these fakes here: [URL]https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9.0[/URL] And the Reddit post is here: [URL]https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/comments/ntk43l/a_lot_of_suspected_fakes_on_upcoming_katz_auction/[/URL][/QUOTE]
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