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ok, saw some ngc and anacs labeled pf, that are really ultra cameo, or cameo
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<p>[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 5314220, member: 10461"]There was a time when certain types did not get those designations. For example, this proof 2c piece I used to own was pretty deserving of the CAM designation, I think (not that you can tell from this photo), but was holdered in the early 2000s, before PCGS started giving that designation to any 2-cent pieces. Or so I believe.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/gtee9b3eQ3ySI2oHT9h7_13fnvgicy007.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>This old avatar picture of it I used to use gives a better idea of the contrast, tiny though it is:</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/dkoSQTNQTRm2yhymw8Nl_spxh1zhlteus.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>At other times you can have a coin that <i>looks</i> full CAM or DCAM but didn't make the grade on the slab label. This can happen when there are small frost breaks in certain areas. Most or even almost all of the coin's devices can have the frost and the contrast... except for one small area. I think that can hold a coin back.</p><p><br /></p><p>Sal- <a href="https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6586/learn-grading-cameo-ultra-cameo/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6586/learn-grading-cameo-ultra-cameo/" rel="nofollow">here you go</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>In a nutshell, you've got three tiers of proof designations. It's all about the <b>contrast</b> between the fields and the devices.</p><p><br /></p><p><font size="3">(*Note that the abbreviations used by different TPG services can vary slightly. For example, NGC uses "PF" for proof instead of "PR", and "UCAM" for "Ultra Cameo" instead of "DCAM" for "Deep Cameo".)</font></p><p><br /></p><p>Basically, you've got three tiers of contrast.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>1. Brilliant Proof</b> (no suffix- in other words, "a plain old proof"), which is often flashy and can have quite deep mirrors, but little to no contrast between the fields and the rest of the design elements.</p><p><br /></p><p>(NGC PF65 RB)</p><p><font size="3">*This particular coin <i>does</i> have a suffix after the grade (RB for Red Brown), but that has to do with the color of the bronze and nothing to do with the proof contrast. It is a basic proof and not CAM or DCAM.</font></p><p><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/WYwS7A9JRPv1MEZJWEek_1881-PR-1c-frame.png" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>2. Cameo Proof </b>(-CAM suffix), which has contrast between the design elements and the fields, much like a cameo <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cameo_of_Sardinian_conch,_Ascione_e_Antonio_Mennella_1925,_Museo_Ascione.jpg" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cameo_of_Sardinian_conch,_Ascione_e_Antonio_Mennella_1925,_Museo_Ascione.jpg" rel="nofollow">carving</a> does (hence the name).</p><p><br /></p><p>(PCGS PR65 CAM)</p><p><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/ZPLROehS0ehBYQ9MKZZI_USA-3cN-1888-057500-coin-800x500.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>3. Deep Cameo or Ultra Cameo Proof</b> (-DCAM or -UCAM suffix), which has very <i>strong</i> cameo contrast and a "caked on" frosty appearance. Some collectors also unofficially refer to these as "black and white" proofs because of the sharp contrast, as you can see here on this modern San Marino coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>(PCGS PR69 DCAM)</p><p><img src="https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/HwzQb2cFTXmDVs1og8OM_29674933_large.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="lordmarcovan, post: 5314220, member: 10461"]There was a time when certain types did not get those designations. For example, this proof 2c piece I used to own was pretty deserving of the CAM designation, I think (not that you can tell from this photo), but was holdered in the early 2000s, before PCGS started giving that designation to any 2-cent pieces. Or so I believe. [IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/gtee9b3eQ3ySI2oHT9h7_13fnvgicy007.jpg[/IMG] This old avatar picture of it I used to use gives a better idea of the contrast, tiny though it is: [IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/dkoSQTNQTRm2yhymw8Nl_spxh1zhlteus.jpg[/IMG]. At other times you can have a coin that [I]looks[/I] full CAM or DCAM but didn't make the grade on the slab label. This can happen when there are small frost breaks in certain areas. Most or even almost all of the coin's devices can have the frost and the contrast... except for one small area. I think that can hold a coin back. Sal- [URL='https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/6586/learn-grading-cameo-ultra-cameo/']here you go[/URL]. In a nutshell, you've got three tiers of proof designations. It's all about the [B]contrast[/B] between the fields and the devices. [SIZE=3](*Note that the abbreviations used by different TPG services can vary slightly. For example, NGC uses "PF" for proof instead of "PR", and "UCAM" for "Ultra Cameo" instead of "DCAM" for "Deep Cameo".)[/SIZE] Basically, you've got three tiers of contrast. [B]1. Brilliant Proof[/B] (no suffix- in other words, "a plain old proof"), which is often flashy and can have quite deep mirrors, but little to no contrast between the fields and the rest of the design elements. (NGC PF65 RB) [SIZE=3]*This particular coin [I]does[/I] have a suffix after the grade (RB for Red Brown), but that has to do with the color of the bronze and nothing to do with the proof contrast. It is a basic proof and not CAM or DCAM.[/SIZE] [IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/WYwS7A9JRPv1MEZJWEek_1881-PR-1c-frame.png[/IMG] [B]2. Cameo Proof [/B](-CAM suffix), which has contrast between the design elements and the fields, much like a cameo [URL='https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cameo_of_Sardinian_conch,_Ascione_e_Antonio_Mennella_1925,_Museo_Ascione.jpg']carving[/URL] does (hence the name). (PCGS PR65 CAM) [IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/ZPLROehS0ehBYQ9MKZZI_USA-3cN-1888-057500-coin-800x500.jpg[/IMG] [B]3. Deep Cameo or Ultra Cameo Proof[/B] (-DCAM or -UCAM suffix), which has very [I]strong[/I] cameo contrast and a "caked on" frosty appearance. Some collectors also unofficially refer to these as "black and white" proofs because of the sharp contrast, as you can see here on this modern San Marino coin. (PCGS PR69 DCAM) [IMG]https://collectivecoin.imgix.net/HwzQb2cFTXmDVs1og8OM_29674933_large.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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