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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;GDJMSP, post: 1625518, member: 112&quot;]Slider - </p><p><br /></p><p>Your comments are a perfect example of an issue that I have often talked about. That is the improper use, improper use in my opinion anyway, of the term &quot;cleaned&quot;. Based on your comments quoted above there is a distinct difference between what &quot;cleaned&quot; means, and what &quot;harshly cleaned&quot; means. Personally, I agree with you, there is a distinct difference between those two terms. To me just because a coin has been cleaned that does not mean that it has been harshly cleaned.</p><p><br /></p><p>But most people don&#039;t see it that way. When discussing coins if somebody uses the term &quot;cleaned&quot;, what they really mean is &quot;harshly cleaned&quot;. To most people those two terms mean exactly the same thing. &quot;Improperly cleaned&quot; also means exactly the same thing that &quot;harshly cleaned&quot; means.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, it seems that you think that when NGC or PCGS label a coin with what you call the &quot;improper&quot; code, you think that means that the coin has been &quot;cleaned&quot; but not &quot;harshly cleaned&quot;. </p><p><br /></p><p>However, that is not the case. If NGC or PCGS puts &quot;Cleaned&quot; on the slab label, that means that the coin has been harshly cleaned. Here is the PCGS definition of what you call the &quot;improper code&quot;, code 92 in other words.</p><p><br /></p><p>92|N-2 Cleaned – surface damage due to a harsh, abrasive cleaning</p><p><br /></p><p>Unfortunately it seems that the numismatic community is stuck with the improper use of the two terms. And I can&#039;t see it ever changing. Once people get in the habit of doing something they rarely if ever change.</p><p><br /></p><p>So it is doubly important that when you see the term &quot;cleaned&quot; being used, you realize that what it really means is &quot;harshly cleaned&quot;.</p><p><br /></p><p>As to your question regarding the value of &quot;harshly cleaned&quot; coins, there is no rule of thumb. Values can bounce all over the place based on the opinion of the potential buyer. But in any case the value of &quot;harshly cleaned&quot; coin is always going to be less, and often considerably less, than the value of a comparable problem free example. </p><p><br /></p><p>You yourself are a good example of this for based on your comments you have bought many &quot;harshly cleaned&quot; coins because you misunderstood the use of the term &quot;cleaned&quot; on the label. Thinking that these coins were not damaged as much as if they had been labeled &quot;harshly cleaned&quot;. So perhaps you paid too much for those coins.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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