Oh the random things you find in European museums...

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  1. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Why live?...

    As seen in a hodgepodge display of coins in the Ruks Museum in Amsterdam:

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  3. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate Supporter

    Is it genuine?
     
  4. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Supporter

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  5. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Why live?...

    From what I could tell, yes. It had luster, adjustment marks, and circulation wear.
     
  6. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Looks real to me. Totally original au. Adjustment marks as usual. The typical weak strike especially at 5 -7 o clock. It’s real and probably worth half a mil Have I ever mentioned my particular love for that coin and flowing hair dollars in general. I just love the crusty originality of it
     
  7. Mainebill

    Mainebill Wild Bill

    Could make out s bit of the description from Dutch’s similarities to German which I have some knowledge of. But couldn’t read the whole thin. Wonder how it ended up there. Was probably brought home as a curiosity by a visitor to our new country not long after it was minted
     
  8. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector Supporter

    The description says that the museum got it from the Koninklijk Oudheidkundig Genootschap (Royal Historical Society) six years ago. Accidentally or not :) the HQ of that society is at the Rijksmuseum; the KOG does not have a museum of its own but lets various museums have its exhibits ...

    Christian
     
  9. mgmgmg75

    mgmgmg75 Active Member

    Are adjustment marks visible in above picture? Or just on the edge?
     
  10. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    Next time you submit another batch of Jefferson Nickels to NGC, remember there’s a RAW 1794 Flowing hair dollar somewhere in a museum in Amsterdam.
     
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  11. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    The lines through the RT, through the forhead, and the heavy one above the cheek going close to the corner of the eye are adjustment marks not circulation damage.

    Wish they had a picture of the reverse. This one is not in my collection of images of 1794 dollars. Not sure if it is in Cardinal's book or not, I'll try and check that tonight. With your permission, I'll add it to my collection of images.
     
  12. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Why live?...

    Fine by me, but the museum’s pcture is far superior
     
  13. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I tried the museum site and the picture was "not available".

    Just tried it again and now the image is available. Got it. Unfortunately no rev image.
     
  14. mgmgmg75

    mgmgmg75 Active Member

     
  15. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Checked it out in the book and it's not listed so this is a new previously unlisted specimen.

    Partially knowing the series, and partially knowing how the early coinage was produced. Adjustment marks were made to the planchets before they were struck by dragging a file across the face of the blank. This would leave groove lines across the face heaviest around the rim usually. When the coins were struck these groove lines will be crushed in the fields but often still prominent on the higher devices. And the lines will go right up to the edges of the devices. If something scratches a coin it will tend to hit the devices and lift whatever is causing the scratch off the surface of the field before it reaches the devices, coming off the other side of the devices it will jump a short space before landing on the field again and continuing the scratch. The lines through RT show this classically, they are strong through the letters but crushed in the field. As you continue along them to where they meet the bust the line going to the four head is faint because it was mostly wiped out during the strike. The line above the cheek coming close to the corner of the eye is stronger because that is a much higher relief area and the die did not have a chance to fill completely and crush the scratch.

    They don't show well here, but there are also adjustment lines through the date that show the same features as to the RT, well-formed through the digits, and crushed in the fields.
     
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  16. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Why live?...

    Cool!
     
  17. Rushmore

    Rushmore Coin Addict

    I may be going to Amsterdam next year so I will have to check this museum out.
     
  18. KSorbo

    KSorbo Well-Known Member

    BTW I’ve been to that museum and it is definitely worth the visit. I don’t remember that coin but Rembrandt’s “Night Watch” still sticks out in my mind, as well as exhibits relating to the Dutch East India Company.
     
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  19. Retiredguy07

    Retiredguy07 New Member

    Was there in 2016. Saw the Flowing Hair '94. Make sure you check out the Naval section. There's a model Ship of the Line, complete with "hologram" crew performing duties - cook starting stove, crew swabbing deck, using head etc. Worth the time to sit and watch for 5 minutes, very cool.
     
  20. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Why live?...

    I saw that! It was one of my favorite rooms!
     
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