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<p>[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4113618, member: 85693"]An interesting thread. As someone who has only been researching ancients online for about 3 years, this is kind of a newbie observation, but I thought I'd put out an example.</p><p><br /></p><p>I recently got a low-grade sestertius of Hadrian showing the emperor raising up a personification of Africa - RESTITVTORI AFRICAE a travel series type on the cheap. </p><p><br /></p><p>When I first started a couple years ago, Wildwinds was my main source of information, and I still enjoy using the site, but there are gaps. This coin is a good example of this - it is listed as RIC 941, which is basically correct. But...</p><p><br /></p><p>An OCRE search shows five variations of this RESTITVTORI AFRICAE, RIC 940 (which is described wrong) and four variations of RIC 941. The differences have to do with bust types. Mine is laureate, facing right, which makes it RIC 941f (I think). </p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet%3A%22Africa%22+AND+denomination_facet%3A%22Sestertius%22+AND+portrait_facet%3A%22Hadrian%22+AND+fulltext%3ARESTITVTORI" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet%3A%22Africa%22+AND+denomination_facet%3A%22Sestertius%22+AND+portrait_facet%3A%22Hadrian%22+AND+fulltext%3ARESTITVTORI" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet:"Africa"+AND+denomination_facet:"Sestertius"+AND+portrait_facet:"Hadrian"+AND+fulltext:RESTITVTORI</a></p><p><br /></p><p>At this point, I tried to find other attributions noting the "f" in RIC 941f. Interestingly, most sources - including the Big Auction Houses and Vcoins - don't bother with the full attributions, and just list RIC 941 for this laureate type. No big deal, but OCRE is the way to go for full attribution in this case. </p><p><br /></p><p>That being said, OCRE is not perfect. I find a lot of mistakes, usually in the examples used for a given type - wrong bust type, inscriptions, etc. In the link above, note RIC 940 is described as "laureate bust right" but shows a single example - with a bare-headed bust left! So is mine RIC 940? Also, I have to wonder if there are such things as 941b, d, g, h, i - none of which come up in the search. </p><p><br /></p><p>Identical descriptions for different types is also frustrating to me as well - although I find other sources can be confusing this way as well. In the example above, RIC 940 and RIC 941f have identical descriptions (but the photos are completely different).</p><p><br /></p><p>And as noted in the OP, LRB searches in OCRE I find very awkward - Wildwinds is usually easier, and faster. </p><p><br /></p><p>Here's my (very) humble Hadrian:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1067476[/ATTACH] </p><p>As for RPC, I find it very difficult to use - but when I can get it to work, it is great. It is one of those databases that seems to work best when I already know what I am searching for - and if I already knew that, I wouldn't be searching a database! But my computer skills are very poor, so the fault is probably with me. </p><p><br /></p><p>I really like using acsearch - I get a lot of hits with a minimal of information. Like Wildwinds, it is only as good as its contributing auctions, but it is often my go-to source for non-Imperial Roman stuff. Coin Archives, FORVM, Vcoins are other places I go.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Marsyas Mike, post: 4113618, member: 85693"]An interesting thread. As someone who has only been researching ancients online for about 3 years, this is kind of a newbie observation, but I thought I'd put out an example. I recently got a low-grade sestertius of Hadrian showing the emperor raising up a personification of Africa - RESTITVTORI AFRICAE a travel series type on the cheap. When I first started a couple years ago, Wildwinds was my main source of information, and I still enjoy using the site, but there are gaps. This coin is a good example of this - it is listed as RIC 941, which is basically correct. But... An OCRE search shows five variations of this RESTITVTORI AFRICAE, RIC 940 (which is described wrong) and four variations of RIC 941. The differences have to do with bust types. Mine is laureate, facing right, which makes it RIC 941f (I think). [URL]http://numismatics.org/ocre/results?q=deity_facet%3A%22Africa%22+AND+denomination_facet%3A%22Sestertius%22+AND+portrait_facet%3A%22Hadrian%22+AND+fulltext%3ARESTITVTORI[/URL] At this point, I tried to find other attributions noting the "f" in RIC 941f. Interestingly, most sources - including the Big Auction Houses and Vcoins - don't bother with the full attributions, and just list RIC 941 for this laureate type. No big deal, but OCRE is the way to go for full attribution in this case. That being said, OCRE is not perfect. I find a lot of mistakes, usually in the examples used for a given type - wrong bust type, inscriptions, etc. In the link above, note RIC 940 is described as "laureate bust right" but shows a single example - with a bare-headed bust left! So is mine RIC 940? Also, I have to wonder if there are such things as 941b, d, g, h, i - none of which come up in the search. Identical descriptions for different types is also frustrating to me as well - although I find other sources can be confusing this way as well. In the example above, RIC 940 and RIC 941f have identical descriptions (but the photos are completely different). And as noted in the OP, LRB searches in OCRE I find very awkward - Wildwinds is usually easier, and faster. Here's my (very) humble Hadrian: [ATTACH=full]1067476[/ATTACH] As for RPC, I find it very difficult to use - but when I can get it to work, it is great. It is one of those databases that seems to work best when I already know what I am searching for - and if I already knew that, I wouldn't be searching a database! But my computer skills are very poor, so the fault is probably with me. I really like using acsearch - I get a lot of hits with a minimal of information. Like Wildwinds, it is only as good as its contributing auctions, but it is often my go-to source for non-Imperial Roman stuff. Coin Archives, FORVM, Vcoins are other places I go.[/QUOTE]
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