Message:

<p>[QUOTE=&quot;lettow, post: 1899616, member: 6986&quot;]I hate to be the bearer of bad news but you have fantasy overprints on genuine notes.&nbsp; These have been coming on the market for the last five years or so.&nbsp; Someone has been taking common notes and placing these overstamps on notes in an attempt to drive up value.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you can read German, you will see that German paper money discussion boards have been ranting about these notes since 2007.&nbsp; Here is one such discussion.</p><p><a href="http://www.banknotesworld.com/thread.php?threadid=4816&amp;threadview=0&amp;hilight=jude&amp;hilightuser=0&amp;page=1" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.banknotesworld.com/thread.php?threadid=4816&amp;threadview=0&amp;hilight=jude&amp;hilightuser=0&amp;page=1" rel="nofollow">http://www.banknotesworld.com/thread.php?threadid=4816&amp;threadview=0&amp;hilight=jude&amp;hilightuser=0&amp;page=1</a></p><p><br /></p><p>None of the German paper money catalogs recognize these notes as genuine and no reputable dealers sell them as genuine overprints.&nbsp; They are all over Ebay mostly from the same sellers.</p><p><br /></p><p>Some of the overprints are applied using handstamps, some are done with color printers.&nbsp; These overstamps have appeared on countless notes -- many of which do not make sense.&nbsp; Here are some on Allied Military Lire notes:</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/mufelika/Lire_zpscc27bc96.jpg[/IMG]" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/mufelika/Lire_zpscc27bc96.jpg[/IMG]" rel="nofollow"><img src="http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j83/mufelika/Lire_zpscc27bc96.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></a></p><p><br /></p><p>How can you tell these are fantasies?&nbsp; History.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Reichsbank was very strict about circulation of Reichsbank notes.&nbsp; Notes from the Reichsbank were prohibited from being taken out of the country.&nbsp; Reichsbank notes were not used as occupation currency anywhere.&nbsp; The only place they were used outside Germany was the small area of Belgium annexed by Germany (Eupen-Malmedy).&nbsp; The German used notes from the Reichskreditkasse as occupation currency outside of Germany.</p><p><br /></p><p>The German military had its own currency that was used outside Germany.&nbsp; These are the Auxiliary Payment Certificate (Pick M31-37) and the Clearing Notes (Pick M38-41).&nbsp; The only notes of these type that were overstamped were the Auxiliary Payment Certificates used in Greece.&nbsp; These are overstamped on the back with a German overstamp and a Greek overstamp.&nbsp; Be wary, however, because the fakers have started putting these stamps on the German military notes.</p><p><br /></p><p>Let&#039;s look at some of the notes in your blog and the overstamps on those notes.</p><p><br /></p><p>First is the 5 RM note first issued in 1942.&nbsp; Aside from being first issued three years after the invasion of Poland, the unit identified on the overstamp (the First Paratrooper Anti-Aircraft Division -- Fallschirm Flak Abteilung 1) was not formed until 1940 and served in France and Italy.</p><p><br /></p><p>The next notes are Reichsbank notes overstamped for the 12th SS Panzer Division &quot;Hitler Youth&quot;.&nbsp; This division was not formed until 1943 and also only served in the Western Front.&nbsp; Included among the notes with this stamp is a 20 RM note (Pick 185).&nbsp; Although dated 1939, this note was not first issued until January 1945.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a listing from an auction site for the handstamp for the Ratibor overprint.</p><p><a href="http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=401578425" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=401578425" rel="nofollow">http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=401578425</a></p><p>Here is a discussion on a German militaria forum about the same handstamp.</p><p><a href="http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=33219" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=33219" rel="nofollow">http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/Forums/showthread.php?t=33219</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The Breslau stamp is for the German Red Cross (Rotes Kreuz) not a military unit.</p><p><br /></p><p>Finally, the Jude-Warschau note.&nbsp; This is where it all began.&nbsp; When the fantasy overprints first hit the market in 2007-2008, they were almost all supposed to be from concentration camps and ghettos.&nbsp; These stamps appeared on Polish notes, Hungarian notes, Bohemia and Moravia, etc.&nbsp; The Jewish ghettoes were not segregated from the economies of the surrounding areas.&nbsp; There was no reason to segregate currency for use in the ghettoes.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

Your name or email address:

Do you already have an account?

• No, create an account now.
• Yes, my password is:
• Forgot your password?

Stay logged in