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<p>[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 1925314, member: 41863"]Unfortunately mine is NOT due to a lighting effect <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie3" alt=":(" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>Also, I just cant fathom a real life situation that unintentionally puts two random marks at the same place on a coin. And this isnt just about Toms coin, but mine too. </p><p><br /></p><p>I mean sensible statistics should reveal that the chances of something like that happening at random are so astronomical that intent would be the only plausible conclusion. I know we all hear the mantra about circulation marks (or contact marks) being so random as to literally encompass any possible combination of outcomes, but it just blows my mind that it can happen so intentional looking, more so than at least I realized. </p><p><br /></p><p>Seriously though, stop and think about the coin Tom posted for a minute. That coin is just about flawless to the unaided eye, and especially so to the untrained eye. Now think about the size of the mark and the description that Tom gave of it being shallow and not visible together. Look at the picture again and look at the marks in a scaled proportion to the whole surface of that coin. A rough estimate would be that the scratch would take up say approx 1/100th of the surface area of that coin (just a rough guess). There are two sides to both of these coins (his and mine, and well all coins in general), and two marks just happened to fall randomly, at precisely perpendicular angles, suspiciously similar depths, and it WASNT intentional, that fate intervened, and those marks occurred like that through circulation or some other contact mark? I dont know, and I certainly cant speak for Tom's coin other than the picture and what he has described to us, but as for MY coin, I just cant swallow that pill. I can live with the coin, dont get me wrong, but I am not going to convince myself that the issue was some random act, when to me and my deductions, it <i>appears</i> to be caused by human intent on my seated quarter. </p><p><br /></p><p>Tom's eye is most certainly far better trained than mine when it comes to issues such as this, and I would trust his opinion on his coin and from him viewing it in hand. I just would like to hear some plausible scenarios of what could possibly cause these types of marks, other than someone sitting over the coin with a fine tipped pin, and see what you all have to say. I know the great minds here can give us a explanation on why they think these marks occurred naturally, and I am open to refining my thoughts on the matter of whether marks such as this are intentional or random, I just need to see some evidence of this actually being a random occurrence.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="treylxapi47, post: 1925314, member: 41863"]Unfortunately mine is NOT due to a lighting effect :( Also, I just cant fathom a real life situation that unintentionally puts two random marks at the same place on a coin. And this isnt just about Toms coin, but mine too. I mean sensible statistics should reveal that the chances of something like that happening at random are so astronomical that intent would be the only plausible conclusion. I know we all hear the mantra about circulation marks (or contact marks) being so random as to literally encompass any possible combination of outcomes, but it just blows my mind that it can happen so intentional looking, more so than at least I realized. Seriously though, stop and think about the coin Tom posted for a minute. That coin is just about flawless to the unaided eye, and especially so to the untrained eye. Now think about the size of the mark and the description that Tom gave of it being shallow and not visible together. Look at the picture again and look at the marks in a scaled proportion to the whole surface of that coin. A rough estimate would be that the scratch would take up say approx 1/100th of the surface area of that coin (just a rough guess). There are two sides to both of these coins (his and mine, and well all coins in general), and two marks just happened to fall randomly, at precisely perpendicular angles, suspiciously similar depths, and it WASNT intentional, that fate intervened, and those marks occurred like that through circulation or some other contact mark? I dont know, and I certainly cant speak for Tom's coin other than the picture and what he has described to us, but as for MY coin, I just cant swallow that pill. I can live with the coin, dont get me wrong, but I am not going to convince myself that the issue was some random act, when to me and my deductions, it [I]appears[/I] to be caused by human intent on my seated quarter. Tom's eye is most certainly far better trained than mine when it comes to issues such as this, and I would trust his opinion on his coin and from him viewing it in hand. I just would like to hear some plausible scenarios of what could possibly cause these types of marks, other than someone sitting over the coin with a fine tipped pin, and see what you all have to say. I know the great minds here can give us a explanation on why they think these marks occurred naturally, and I am open to refining my thoughts on the matter of whether marks such as this are intentional or random, I just need to see some evidence of this actually being a random occurrence.[/QUOTE]
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